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Body of St Luke Gains Credibility
New York Times ^ | October 16,2001 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 10/15/2001 9:43:54 PM PDT by gcruse

              October 16, 2001

              'Body of St. Luke' Gains Credibility

              By NICHOLAS WADE

                   new DNA analysis gives tentative
                   support to the belief that the remains
              in an ancient lead coffin are those of St.
              Luke, traditionally considered the author of
              the third Gospel and the Acts of the
              Apostles.

              Dr. Guido Barbujani, a population geneticist
              at the University of Ferrara, Italy, has
              extracted DNA from a tooth in the coffin.
              He concluded that the DNA was
              characteristic of people living near the region of Antioch, on the eastern
              Mediterranean, where Luke is said to have been born. Radiocarbon dating
              of the tooth indicates that it belonged to someone who died between 72
              A.D. and 416 A.D.

              A report by Dr. Barbujani and colleagues appears today in the Proceedings
              of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States.

              The Evangelist, according to ancient sources, was a physician who was born
              in Antioch and died at 84 in about 150 A.D. in the Greek city of Thebes.
              The coffin with his remains was taken to Constantinople, the capitol of the
              Byzantine empire, in 338 A.D. and later moved to Padua, Italy.

              Dr. Barbujani and his colleagues speculate that the coffin may have been sent
              out of Constantinople for safekeeping, either during the reign of the Emperor
              Julian, who tried to restore paganism, or during the iconoclast period of the
              eighth century, when many religious images and objects were destroyed.

              The coffin is known to have been in Padua at least since 1177 A.D. It was
              placed in a marble sarcophagus and kept in the Basilica of Santa Giustina. It
              was last opened in 1562 A.D. and seems to have been somewhat ignored
              until October 1992. At that time the bishop of Padua, Antonio Mattiazzo,
              received a letter from Hieronymos, the Orthodox Metropolitan of Thebes,
              asking that part of the relics to be donated to the site of Luke's tomb in
              Thebes.

              Bishop Mattiazzo, according to an article in November 2000 in Traces, a
              Catholic journal, decided to investigate the relics under the leadership of Dr.
              Vito Terribile Viel Marin, a pathologist at the University of Padua. In 1998
              the 400-year-old seals were removed from the lead coffin, and the study
              began.

              The dimensions of the coffin exactly fit the tomb in Thebes considered to be
              Luke's. In the coffin was a skeleton, but not the skull.

              Dr. Barbujani and his colleagues say the body appears to have decomposed
              in the coffin because of matching insect marks on the lead and the pelvis,
              which has fused to the lead.

              The spread in the radiocarbon dating indicates at least two possibilities. One
              is that the body is that of Luke or a man who died at the same time, the other
              is that for some reason, a new body was put in the coffin in Constantinople
              around 300 A.D.

              To help distinguish between the two, Dr. Barbujani, an expert on the genetics
              of European populations, analyzed fragments of DNA from the tooth, a
              canine, found on the floor of the coffin, and sought to compare them with
              likely living representatives of the ancient populations of Antioch and of
              Constantinople. An Antioch match would suggest the body could be Luke's.

              Since the present population of Antioch includes many Kurds, Dr. Barbujani
              sampled the DNA of Syrians from nearby Aleppo. In place of the inhabitants
              of ancient Constantinople, now Istanbul, he tested Greeks from Attica and
              Crete.

              The DNA from the Padua tooth, a type inherited only through the mother's
              line, turned out to resemble Syrian DNA more than Greek DNA.

              "Our data tell us the body is absolutely compatible with a Syrian origin," he
              said. "But I am aware of the limitations of the DNA data, and though a broad
              spectrum of ages is possible, the most likely is 300 A.D." Hence both
              possibilities should remain open, he said.

              The body, if indeed it is Luke's, has experienced a simpler voyage through
              history than the head, which was removed by the Emperor Charles IV in
              1354 and taken from Padua to Prague, where it rests in the Cathedral of St.
              Vitus, in the Prague Castle.

              "There were officially two heads of St. Luke, one at Prague and one in
              Rome," Dr. Barbujani said. At Bishop Mattiazzo's request, the Prague skull
              was brought to Padua and found to fit perfectly to the topmost neck bone.
              The tooth, found on the floor of the coffin, also fit into the right socket in the
              jawbone.

              Though many relics turn out to be forgeries, executed in modern or medieval
              times as demand arose, the Padua body seems more likely than most to be
              what it is claimed to be, although exact proof is lacking.

              "I think we should accept that there is no way to tell if it was the Evangelist
              Luke, but the genetic evidence does not contradict the idea," Dr. Barbujani
              said.

              Last October, according to the Traces article, at least part of the body
              completed the circle to its original resting place. Bishop Mattiazzo sent a rib
              from the skeleton for Metropolitan Hieronymus to place in the empty Theban
              tomb.


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To: sendtoscott
Two heads are better than one!
21 posted on 10/16/2001 5:12:30 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: shatcher
Interesting. Do you have a reference for that?
22 posted on 10/16/2001 5:39:20 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.

This seems IMHO to imply that he was not personally an eyewitness to what he wrote about.

23 posted on 10/16/2001 5:53:47 PM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Serb5150
Yes, I think so...there can be many 'contaminants' pass over the relic in two thousand years.
24 posted on 10/16/2001 6:57:51 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: jwfiv; Serb5150
Scientists who examined the Shroud of Turin admit that the carbon dating done so long ago was subject to serious error.

Two reasons for this on the Shroud:

1. It taken by the part of the Shroud repaired after the fire (plus the contamination by the fire).

2. The Shroud may have had pollen spores "grow in it". Obviously, if you have a living organism "growing" on a cloth, that may foul up the carbon dating unless you can exclude the pollen. Interesting, they found the Shroud to have pollen spores from the Holy Land.

There may have been viewing of the body and the placing of flowers or other "garments" on early dates of "veneration" of the body.

We only know of exhumations after about 1100AD. There is nothing about exhumations, and perhaps adorning the body with flowers or other things that might foul up the carbon dating.

25 posted on 10/16/2001 9:11:10 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
Very good points. The actual contaminant I was thinking of is the bioplastic coating found on the Shroud fibers. Check out this thread, there's some wonderful information to be found there.
26 posted on 10/16/2001 9:17:28 PM PDT by Serb5150
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To: shatcher
"Luke was a follower of Jesus when he was crucified in the 32-32 A.D. He was also an adult then so the date is MORE than 30 years off for his birth."

Luke 1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[Or been surely believed] among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus."

Can you reconcile the contradiction here? Luke sure doesn't say he ever met Jesus and in fact, implies that his knowledge of Jesus was "handed down to us by those who were ....eyewitnesses...."

27 posted on 10/16/2001 9:32:25 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Serb5150
Very good points. The actual contaminant I was thinking of is the bioplastic coating found on the Shroud fibers. Check out this thread, there's some wonderful information to be found there.

In the article you pointed to, it refers to the NASA tests that the image is tri-dimensional. You may or may not know what it means because they use "tri" in lieu of three.

The High Tech NASA test on the Shroud found it to be 3-dimensional image.

It is my theory that the Shroud image was formed by the energy of the "Resurrection" -- the brilliant light that blinded the guards at the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Further, the article states the Shroud image is an image and not something from the wounds and beatings forming an image. But since the skin/flesh of Jesus touched the Shroud, the Shroud contains blood, as stated in the article.

Lastly, the Shroud was damaged in a fire, and some parts of the cloth was re-woven. It may have been by error that the church gave science a part of the shroud that had the re-woven threads, and that would really foul up the carbon dating. BUT MAYBE THE CHURCH OFFICIALS THOUGHT SCIENCE WOULD CATCH THAT.

We must remember how stupid scientists are, and how smart simple minds can be some time (with the inspiration of God).

I know in my life when God is working through me, I do great. When I try to do something, I really screw up. And this is from someone with an IQ of 130 or higher.

28 posted on 10/16/2001 9:43:48 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher; Serb5150
That I should yearn for a touch of HIs presence from faraway yesterday. how much more do I yearn for His presence today. Life's a miracle. I, also, think the shroud was touched by His presence, in some light fantastic way. God Himself IS the Laws of Physics, He knows their secrets, knows the loopholes, plays with light.
29 posted on 10/16/2001 11:49:18 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: topher
Read Ian Wilson's book The Blood and The Shroud. It changed my life.
30 posted on 10/17/2001 6:14:56 PM PDT by Serb5150
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To: gcruse
Interesting.
31 posted on 10/17/2001 6:21:01 PM PDT by "Bare Ruined Choirs"
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To: topher
I'm with you. Most of the great minds in history were firm believers. Blessed as the relics are, it is really the message that has changed lives all over the world.
32 posted on 10/17/2001 6:25:12 PM PDT by lds23
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To: gcruse

BTTT on Feast of St. Luke, evangelist, October 18, 2004.


33 posted on 10/18/2004 8:57:53 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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