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To: SoothingDave
It is the job of the Church, the Magisterium, to tell me (and the world) whether what I write is True or not, or if parts of it are True or not. This is how she treasures the Truth and guards it. One person can not do this trick without consulting all of the minds of Catholicism, official and lay (bishops and scholars), live and dead to see how the item in question fits in with Scripture and what has been declared True before (Tradition). All three work together.

This is not "picking and choosing" on the whim of an individual (that is what a "cafeteria" Christian does), but carefully using the mind of the entire Church to rightly discern what is True.

And you, as an individual, is a cipher, zero, nothing, parrot, unthinking robot! Why do you even bother to pretend you are a thinking individual? Just ask Holy Mother what you are supposed to think and say. That is the reason I am no longer a RC.
766 posted on 10/17/2001 2:28:30 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
And you, as an individual, is(sic) a cipher, zero, nothing, parrot, unthinking robot!

God bless you too!.

Why do you even bother to pretend you are a thinking individual?

You must have missed my lovely dissertation about being a sheep and having lush verdant pastures to explore while being safely kept within bounds by my loving shepherd.

Bounds are not bad. They keep me monotheistic, for one.

Just ask Holy Mother what you are supposed to think and say. That is the reason I am no longer a RC.

And this is the reason why rampant individualism and Protestantism go hand in hand. It's all about me me me. Don't like the preacher, go to a new one. Don't like the sacramentalism -- go to a different Church. Don't like their end times teaching -- go to a different Church. Can't find a good pastor -- open your own Church. Whatever suits your own individual reading of Scripture.

Then do all this while talking about the "unity" of all "true Christians" and downplaying the significance of all of the differences which cause the disunity in the first place.

It's vanity. The Devil whispers in your ear "you don't need to listen to anybody else, just read the Bible by yourself -- God promised to send his spirit to help you"

SD

769 posted on 10/17/2001 2:35:09 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: OLD REGGIE
That is the reason I am no longer a RC.

So better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven? We need a new line for Proddies, how about "better to be my own master than be ordered to go to Heaven!"

777 posted on 10/17/2001 2:45:07 PM PDT by Pelayo
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To: OLD REGGIE
And you, as an individual, is a cipher, zero, nothing, parrot, unthinking robot!

Except for the unthinking robot part you are catching on. It’s called dying to ones self. It is best illustrated by reciting the Litany of Humility.

O Jesus, meek and humble of heart, hear me.
From the desire of being esteemed,
deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being loved,
From the desire of being extolled,
From the desire of being honored,
From the desire of being praised,
From the desire of being preferred to others,
From the desire of being consulted,
From the desire of being approved,
From the fear of being humiliated,
deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being despised,
From the fear of suffering rebukes,
From the fear of being calumniated,
From the fear of being forgotten,
From the fear of being ridiculed,
From the fear of being wronged,
From the fear of being suspected,
That others may be loved more than I,
Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may be esteemed more than I,
That in the opinion of the world,
others may increase, and I may decrease,
That others may be chosen and I set aside,
That others may be praised and I unnoticed,
That others may be preferred to me in everything,
That others may become holier than I,
provided that I may become as holy as I should.

Impossible to be an unthinking robot if you seek humility.

791 posted on 10/17/2001 2:59:54 PM PDT by pegleg
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To: OLD REGGIE
And how did you come to the conclusion that you--and you alone--are competent to make judgements of this sort, knowing, as I suppose you know, about the tumult, the bloodshed caused by the decision of the Reformers simply to ignore 1500 years of Church history and to reconstruct Christian doctrine on the basis of the Scripture alone. They ar least did not have hindsight to show them the consequences of their speculations.
804 posted on 10/17/2001 3:29:59 PM PDT by RobbyS
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