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To: SoothingDave
Which commandment of God? The one about talking to dead people? Well, it very much matters if you think dead people are dead, or if you think they are alive.

Deut. 18:9ff. Dead people; people who have died; people who have bit the dust; people who have expired, given up the ghost. Of course, their souls live on...but the commandment is not to call them up. Obey the word of the Lord! He has His reasons.

680 posted on 10/17/2001 12:19:43 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: hopefulpilgrim
Of course, their souls live on...but the commandment is not to call them up.

Nobody is "conjuring" up anyone. We are merely imploring our friends for their assistance. Now if you think they are "dead" dead and "waiting" for the resurrection to occur that is one argument to make. I believe that God, being timeless, is with the Resurrected today. Whatever "today" means to God.

SD

685 posted on 10/17/2001 12:25:23 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: hopefulpilgrim
First, you fail to apply Christ's own word: He who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live. These are also echoed by the Holy Apostle Paul in various letters.

Second, in asking the intercessions of the saints who are alive in Christ the Orthodox do not "call them up" (we are not trying to get a ghost to appear) nor do we engage in divination (we don't expect the saint to tell us the future, just pray with us to God).

687 posted on 10/17/2001 12:30:04 PM PDT by The_Reader_David
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