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However, there has always been a caveat to that, which I have posted numerous times.

Kindly point out the caveat in Unam Sanctam.

Pius IX, Encyclical "Quanto conficamur moerore," 1863: We should mention again and censure a very grave error in which some Catholics are unhappily engaged, who believe that men living in error, and separated from the true faith and from Catholic unity, can obtain eternal life. Indeed, this is certainly quite contrary to Catholic teaching. It is known to Us and to you that they who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion and who, zealously keeping the natural law and its precepts engraved in the hearts of all by God, and being ready to obey God, live an honest and upright life, can, by the operating power of divine light and grace, attain eternal life, since God ... will by no means suffer anyone to be punished with eternal torment who has not the guilt of deliberate sin. But. the Catholic dogma that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church is well known; and also that those who are obstinate toward the authority ... and persistently separate themselves from the unity of the Church, and from the Roman Pontiff ... cannot obtain eternal salvation.

Proddies and IFBB's, can you make heads or tails of this? He seems to be asserting as true two completely mutually exclusive things.

angelo;Invincibly Ignorant

Pius IX, Encyclical "Quanto conficamur moerore," 1863: ................................

It is known to Us and to you that they who labor in invincible ignorance of our most holy religion
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Proddies and IFBB's, can you make heads or tails of this? He seems to be asserting as true two completely mutually exclusive things.
6536 posted on 11/7/01 10:17 AM Mountain by angelo

Steven(Invincibly Ignorant) seems to understand it; he should answer it for us.
I have no idea what is going on, but It is not needed for my salvation.

Barukh haba b'Shem Adonai
Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord

XeniaSt

Proddies and IFBB's, can you make heads or tails of this? He seems to be asserting as true two completely mutually exclusive things.

I wouldn't dare comment on that. In the past when I made essentially the same comment I was thouroughly thrashed (verbally, thank heaven). I double wouldn't dare make the observation that most Encyclicals are written in such a way that they can be read - "interpreted" in various ways, depending on the circumstances.

Ask the following of 100 Cardinals (Catholic, that is) if either or both of the following are "infallible" pronouncements. Don't be surprised if the answers are not nearly unanimous.

Humanae Vitae Infallible?

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis Infallible?