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To: Havoc
One day, ya'll will learn to listen to me. I've been saying this since I first saw it introduced. It's nothing more than a red herring with which to beat anyone who points out their wrong. It can be shaped and molded to fit any circumstance and they use it to deny the work of the Holy Spirit without having to directly say it. They just point to their one size fits all constantly changing argument and they can claim ignorance when needed while beating you up over something you do not espouse. All the while making poor 'idiots' who trust God and are yet shallow to doubt both themselves and God. As I've always said, God will have his due.

You are 100% correct. I finally got smart and informed SD that I would no longer discuss the subject with him. I see he is still begging for someone who will debate it on his terms.

I did offer to pronounce my personal definition of "magisterium" and discuss it on my terms. For some reason he didn't take me up on the offer.
2,954 posted on 10/26/2001 6:32:37 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
I did offer to pronounce my personal definition of "magisterium" and discuss it on my terms. For some reason he didn't take me up on the offer.

That is because it is impossible for you to discuss a Catholic teaching on your own terms. The Church has precise definitions on what She believes. If you don't relate your discussion to those definitions, but rather a definition of your own making, you will only be arguing against a figment of your imagination, not true Catholic teaching. Witness Havoc's inane objections to the term Theotokos(i.e. "How can Mary be God's mother? That would mean that she existed before God."). He is arguing against something which is not is not a part of, and is indeed directly contrary to, the definition of Theotokos as taught by the Council of Ephesus. There is only one faith that the Catholic Church holds. A faith which has been preserved and passed on since the Apostles.

The same cannot, sadly, be said of Protestantism. Whether it is justification, the Sacraments, the nature of the Church, the authority of said Church, Christology, morality, or even the nature of Sola Scriptura, they all mean different things to different groups of Protestants. The Lutherans say one thing, the Calvinists another, the Anglicans another, the Baptists another, the non-denominational denominationalists yet another, etc... Will you say that they are all wrong and you are right, as Havoc does? That is what they each say about you.

For you to proclaim the "true" definition of Sola Scriptura is, no offense, a bit disingenuous for there are as many definitions as there are Protestants denominations. They may be very similar, but they can be subtly different from each other. Be that as it may, in the end Sola Scriptura, in whatever form, ultimately leads to a radical individualism that has never been a part of the historic Christian faith.

Pray for JP II

3,207 posted on 10/26/2001 3:32:50 PM PDT by dignan3
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