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To: ksen
ksen: This passage says that if it were possible to fall away(lose your salvation) then the only way to "be saved" again is to crucify Jesus again.

the808bass: No it doesn't.

"Oh, okay. I would like to hear what you think it is saying. If I am wrong I will gladly admit it."

You hit the nail on the head ksen, and I too am curious what bass thinks.

JM
2,661 posted on 10/25/2001 6:48:32 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM; OLD REGGIE; Havoc; JHavard; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
OK, let's fasten our safety belts and place our seat backs and tray tables in their full upright and locked positions. We're going to take a little thought experiment.

Let us imagine a Christian, let's call him Mr. C. Mr C has been reading Scripture and been feeling the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit leads Mr C to a fuller understanding of Scripture and he comes to understand a new truth, let us call it Proposition P.

Convinced by his reading of Scripture, inspired by the Holy Spirit, and sure of the ultimate authority of Scripture, Mr C takes his Prop P to his Church. The leaders of the Church, which does not hold Prop P to be true, in fact holds it false, consider Mr C's proposal. They study Scripture and the mind of the Church and determine that MR C is mistaken. They attempt to explain from Scriptural context and from the general understanding of the Church why Prop P is wrong.

Mr C takes this counsel and returns to his room. He prays for guidance from the Holy Spirit and considers everything his Church leaders told him. After further study he is convinced that he is right and sadly, his Church is wrong.

Mr C goes to some of his friends, also Christians, and tells them of his Prop P. His friends appeal to him from Scripture and the common Christian understanding. Mr C can accept their arguments, but is convinced that the outlook given to him by the Holy Spirit overrides them.

Mr C returns to his room and again prays for inspiration from the Holy Spirit and begins to study again. He considers the arguments made by his friends, but can not shake the idea that this new Truth revealed to him by the Holy Spirit is True indeed.

So Mr C sadly has to leave his present Church and take his new Truth to the world, convinced that he must win hearts and minds to this newly understood Proposition.

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OK, friends and neighbors. Would you consider this a fair story illustrating Sola Scriptura in action? Mr C didn't just blindly believe the first thing he thought, he sought out counsel from Church and Christians. He entertained other ideas. But at the end of the day he was compelled to believe what Scripture said. To him. Through his inspired reading and study.

SD

2,671 posted on 10/25/2001 7:10:04 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: JohnnyM
Mr. JohnnyM, I believe the verse is saying that Jesus' death is the road to salvation, if you turn away from that, do not look for any other method because God is not giving anymore chances. All roads are closed but one.
2,738 posted on 10/25/2001 8:27:00 AM PDT by Joyful Wisdom
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