For the last couple weeks we here have been trying to reconcile, with help from all religious backgrounds, the Mary of Greco-Roman Theological Tradition and the Mary of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Those of the former have admitted that their Mary has a surname or last name of "Theotokos", while those of the latter find no such thing. Mary Theotokos is a different person altogether from "Mary, mother of Jesus, and and James, and Joseph, and Judas, and Simon, and their sisters." Mary, mother of Jesus, ... is the Biblical Mary of history, while Mary Theotokos is a creation of the imagination.
In order to find the father of Mary Theotokos, we endeavored to find the meaning of the word "Theotokos" . One Orthodox Church expert and one Roman Catholic Church researcher here claimed that it meant "Mother of God", but that is clearly an imaginative rendering of that word that defies logic. When these experts were asked to go to the Greek source of the word, they declined. They subsequently deferred to a resident Greek scholar here, who, with some encouragement, concluded that "tokos" does indeed mean "usury or interest on money loaned". With "Theo" indisputably meaning "God, or deity", in combination with "tokos", "Theotokos" means just what you said: "God of usury . . . "
Scripture says that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every matter be established. That "Theotokos" means "God of usury ..." and is the surname or last name of the Mary of Greco-Roman Theological Tradition has been established here by experts in their field, from the contextual approach to word meanings and Strong[er] source : Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and the Work of those great Greek and Hebrew scholars assembled by RCC monarch King James in the early 17th century.
Greco-Roman historians tell us that when the Roman Empire fell, public buildings where taxes were collected, money exchanged, loans made, financial matters conducted became the basilicas of the Roman Church where it subsequently carried on its worship of Mary Theotokos.
Mary Theotokos and her father will help shed light on the woman riding the beast in Revelation 17. After all a harlot is a woman who does what she does for money. It also sheds light on what Jesus meant in the Gospels by the two masters. It also explains why the CIA Directory of corporate enterprises lists the main business of the Vatican as "banking and finance" not religion.
In order to further assist our Greco-Roman friends here in identifying the father of Mary Theotokos, experts in Hebrew have been consulted. This is from them:
Hebrew word "nashak" from the word "nasha" [lead astray, mentally delude, deceive as well as lend on interest, exact debt] means "to strike with the sting of a serpent, to bite (like a serpent)" as well as "lend on usury, oppress with interest on a loan". The Hebrew word "nasha" dovetais with the Greek word "tokos", and the deiinition links the activity of moneylenders, banking, and finance with the father of Mary Theotokos, and goes a long way to explain why her worship is entwined with the financial affairs of the Vatican.
If we can be of further service in helping Mary Theotokos worshippers with her geneology, please don't hesitate to ask. .
The Decretals were used by the Roman church to usurp authority it did not by right have any claim to. The system that developed from there on was developed from fraudulent authority based in lies. Now if you want to say that isn't an invalidation, then you are deluding yourself. Non-authority doesn't become authoritative just because you believe it. As regards myself, I'm certainly not stupid enough to buy into it. Knowing the truth ahead of time, there is no way I can ever view the Roman Church as having any legit authority. The Orthodox have their own problems. They are closer to Christianity than Romanism; but, I'm not buying into either. I have the real thing. I have Jesus living in me and the Holy Spirit operating in my life. I don't need to look to false doctrine to find what I already have. I can command demons in Jesus name because I have that authority as a child of God. I have done so. When you've seen creative miracles, you can't accept fraud for the real thing either.
Proof, Havoc? I'm still waiting for you to prove anything about the decretals. Anything.
SD
Well, I'll give you credit. You would make a great used car salesman. You can push anything, even though it's not accurate! ;)
Have you been here for the last couple weeks? Or does it just seem that way? Anyway
Those of the former have admitted that their Mary has a surname or last name of "Theotokos", while those of the latter find no such thing.
LOL. Theotokos is not Mary's surname. You're kind of funny. The things you say are very amusing.
Mary Theotokos is a different person altogether from "Mary, mother of Jesus, and and James, and Joseph, and Judas, and Simon, and their sisters." Mary, mother of Jesus, ... is the Biblical Mary of history, while Mary Theotokos is a creation of the imagination.
A different person? I don't think so. What makes you say that? We are talking about the woman who carried God in her womb. Who are you talking about?
In order to find the father of Mary Theotokos, we endeavored to find the meaning of the word "Theotokos" .
Joachim. That's her father. Anna is her mother. Everyone knows that. Sheesh, why don't you just ask someone who knows?
One Orthodox Church expert and one Roman Catholic Church researcher here claimed that it meant "Mother of God", but that is clearly an imaginative rendering of that word that defies logic.
It means "God bearer," literally. As in a woman is said to "Bear" children. "Mother of God" is a workable substitute, which conveys essentially the same information. Mary is the mother of a Person who is God.
When these experts were asked to go to the Greek source of the word, they declined.
It wasn't a declension as much as an amazement that someone could seriosuly be so thick. You are pulling our leg still, right?
They subsequently deferred to a resident Greek scholar here, who, with some encouragement, concluded that "tokos" does indeed mean "usury or interest on money loaned".
The resident scholar we asked was the808bass, who clearly pointed you to a Greek dictionary online which clearly showed that "childbearing" is the primary definition of tokos. That you don't have a grasp of yesterday makes your purported grasp of the meaning of theological terms even more slippery, if that is possible.
Now Havoc is not exactly our resident Greek expert. He is not accepted as reliable by half of the population here. Bass I accept as honest, especially about something as silly as your contention.
With "Theo" indisputably meaning "God, or deity", in combination with "tokos", "Theotokos" means just what you said: "God of usury . . . "
No it doesn't. If you coined the term today, it would. The term is already defined. In case you missed it we showed you the definition from dictionaries and it didn't faze you. The term has meaning already. You can't redefine it based upon your sloppy "scholarship."
SD