Have you been here for the last couple weeks? Or does it just seem that way? Anyway
Those of the former have admitted that their Mary has a surname or last name of "Theotokos", while those of the latter find no such thing.
LOL. Theotokos is not Mary's surname. You're kind of funny. The things you say are very amusing.
Mary Theotokos is a different person altogether from "Mary, mother of Jesus, and and James, and Joseph, and Judas, and Simon, and their sisters." Mary, mother of Jesus, ... is the Biblical Mary of history, while Mary Theotokos is a creation of the imagination.
A different person? I don't think so. What makes you say that? We are talking about the woman who carried God in her womb. Who are you talking about?
In order to find the father of Mary Theotokos, we endeavored to find the meaning of the word "Theotokos" .
Joachim. That's her father. Anna is her mother. Everyone knows that. Sheesh, why don't you just ask someone who knows?
One Orthodox Church expert and one Roman Catholic Church researcher here claimed that it meant "Mother of God", but that is clearly an imaginative rendering of that word that defies logic.
It means "God bearer," literally. As in a woman is said to "Bear" children. "Mother of God" is a workable substitute, which conveys essentially the same information. Mary is the mother of a Person who is God.
When these experts were asked to go to the Greek source of the word, they declined.
It wasn't a declension as much as an amazement that someone could seriosuly be so thick. You are pulling our leg still, right?
They subsequently deferred to a resident Greek scholar here, who, with some encouragement, concluded that "tokos" does indeed mean "usury or interest on money loaned".
The resident scholar we asked was the808bass, who clearly pointed you to a Greek dictionary online which clearly showed that "childbearing" is the primary definition of tokos. That you don't have a grasp of yesterday makes your purported grasp of the meaning of theological terms even more slippery, if that is possible.
Now Havoc is not exactly our resident Greek expert. He is not accepted as reliable by half of the population here. Bass I accept as honest, especially about something as silly as your contention.
With "Theo" indisputably meaning "God, or deity", in combination with "tokos", "Theotokos" means just what you said: "God of usury . . . "
No it doesn't. If you coined the term today, it would. The term is already defined. In case you missed it we showed you the definition from dictionaries and it didn't faze you. The term has meaning already. You can't redefine it based upon your sloppy "scholarship."
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Even in quotes that's too much of a stretch. My first inclination was the word sophistry. But now even that would seem unfair to the sophomores of the world.