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To: the808bass;wordsmith
Re 23591

I think that most Protestants (if not all, and I use the word Protestant to mean Non-Catholic, Non-Orthodox) on this thread would assent to the complete divinity of Jesus Christ our Lord. I think many's shyness when it comes to the term theotokos is due to the vehemence with which we are asked to accept it by our brothers in the Roman Catholic church. Is Jesus God? Yes. Is Mary his mother? Yes. Is she God's mother? In the sense that she bore the eternal Logos as her son, yes. Is she superior to God? Of course not. No RC or Orthodox would say that she is superior to God. And yet we think that the term might bring some confusion and so we avoid it. That's my opinion. Looked at the term in the context of history, I understand its origin (at least I think I do) and agree with it in that context. For there it affirms the fulness of Jesus divinity and humanity, against those who would claim otherwise.

Always reasonable, bass. I think you might not speak for all NC's here. Remember, if someone can believe it, they will. We've had people here claiming that Jesus didn't become God until He was baptised.

SD

23,754 posted on 02/04/2002 6:56:35 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: woodkirk
Re 23606

If Luke 1:28 is interpreted by Catholics to mean that Mary was born without sin [immaculate], then to be consistent, don't you think they should say the same about those who Paul is referring to in Ephesians 1:6 . ??

Those new Christians were baptised, so they had the stain of original sin removed. That is, they became the same as Mary was from birth. So it isn't surprising that the same word is used.

Did I blow you mind?

SD

23,757 posted on 02/04/2002 7:00:29 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: angelo
Re 23701

What did you think of the first e-Trade commercial?

With the monkey and the musical? Too self-referential. Too forced. Making a "bad" commercial and then talking about how bad it is? I don't want my Super Bowl commercials to be post modern.

Speaking of post modern, I got a fortune cookie in my lunch the other day. It said "You will smile at this fortune." Just what I want, hip, nihilistic post modern fortune cookies!

I also liked the Barry Bonds/ Hank Aaron spot.

I didn't catch what they said. Everyone at the cinema grill was too busy booing Barry bonds. Old habits die hard. :-)

I liked the Bud Light spot where the falcon or hawk was coming back with Bud Lights.

SD

23,759 posted on 02/04/2002 7:08:12 AM PST by SoothingDave
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