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To: Wordsmith
Thank you for your explanation. Could you please tell us where Mary is ever referred to as "Theotokos" or "Mother of God" in Scripture? Since it is not in Scripture, where does that originate?

By this term it is impied that Mary is the mother of the Father God, t the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. Did she give birth to triplets, or am I missing something?

Did God exist before Mary was a twinkle in her father's eye, so how could she precede him? Was Jesus the Son of God long before she took her first breath?

Isn't it true that the most and highest thing that Scripture says about Mary is that she was the "mother of Jesus".? And to leap from that to RCC and OC Marian claims requires a highly active imagination?

23,690 posted on 02/04/2002 4:59:25 AM PST by Woodkirk
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To: Woodkirk
By this term it is impied that Mary is the mother of the Father God, t the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. Did she give birth to triplets, or am I missing something?

Theotokos does not mean Mother of God. It means "God bearer."

23,696 posted on 02/04/2002 5:17:01 AM PST by trad_anglican
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To: Woodkirk
Thank you for your explanation. Could you please tell us where Mary is ever referred to as "Theotokos" or "Mother of God" in Scripture? Since it is not in Scripture, where does that originate?

See my last response. It does not appear in Scripture. Its use was confirmed by the Church at the Council of Ephesus in 431.

By this term it is impied that Mary is the mother of the Father God, t the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. Did she give birth to triplets, or am I missing something?

The Trinity is properly understood as Three Persons, One God. The Second Person of the Trinity is the indivisible Word made flesh, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Mary is the mother of the Son of God. You are mistaken in your implication. A parallel - my wife and I are two persons, one flesh. My mother is not the mother of my wife. She is my mother.

Did God exist before Mary was a twinkle in her father's eye, so how could she precede him? Was Jesus the Son of God long before she took her first breath?

God has always existed. He is beyond time. You are mistaken in assuming that, in the ever-unique Incarnation where the Divine is born of the mortal, the mother needs to pre-exist the Son.

Isn't it true that the most and highest thing that Scripture says about Mary is that she was the "mother of Jesus".? And to leap from that to RCC and OC Marian claims requires a highly active imagination?

Yes, she is the mother of Jesus. So I ask you - who is Jesus? Is He one Person or two?

23,711 posted on 02/04/2002 5:47:26 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Woodkirk

Mary is ever referred to as "Theotokos" or "Mother of God" in Scripture? Since it is not in Scripture, where does that originate?

The most common tile for Mary in catholicism is the Mother of God. The reasoning given for this is as follows:

"Mary is really the mother of Jesus; and since Jesus is God, Mary is the mother of her Creator.

Joined to Christ the head and in communion with all his saints, the faithful must in the first place reverence the memory of the glorious Mother of God and of our Lord Jesus Christ" (VaticanII documents, "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church").

The catholics say I have a problem because I see Mary as the mother of Jesus and not the Mother of God. That I am seperating Jesus in two when he is only one. Read the last sentence in the above statements of the catholic belief. Mary is the mother of God AND of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who is seperating now?

Becky

23,764 posted on 02/04/2002 7:20:40 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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