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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; SoothingDave
I hope that I would be a big enough person to admit I was wrong if it was shown to me that I was, things like that are hard to say till you've been there.

And that, my friend, is precisely the key. We are supposed to mold our will to match God's Will. One of our biggest sins if our propensity to alter God's will to match our own (it makes things so much easier on us). If I am the interpreter of Scripture (or I get to pick the pastor that I will give that authority to), that sin is too easy to fall into.

I have recently been called to the mat by SoothingDave regarding Catholic teachings with regard to Mary. I still have some disagreements, but I was clearly wrong on one key point and I don't understand why the Church teaches what it does. The easy thing would be for me to decide that the Church was in error (and possibly mold God's teachings to my own beliefs by doing so) or accept that I am not the author or interpreter of Scripture. It's hard (I'm an egotistical son-of-a-gun), but I know what the right answer is.

2,315 posted on 10/23/2001 11:55:19 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: Havoc
Whose gain? Read for comprehension much?

Yep, sure do. And apart from Giving birth, Mary has not one whit to do with salvation. Zero. Zilch. Zip. Nada.. She is not diety, not the creator of a God, not a 'Co' anything.blahblahblahblah you can too.

Havoc you stated that Vatican II gave Mary ownership of the graces of Christ. I pointed to the section quoted and highlighted the exact point where the gains are attributed to Christ only, and Mary is termed the dispenser of the graces. Now, do you have something from the Vatican backing up what you said, or will you retract it? Or will you just give me another lecture?

SD

2,325 posted on 10/23/2001 12:07:09 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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