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To: Pelayo
But the early Church fathers disagree. They were closer to the time why would they lie?

Whoa, back up a bit. They didn't disagree. *Some* of them disagreed. It was shown here within the last 200 posts that a fair number of those you wish to call early fathers made specifice note of the natural kin of Jesus (Children of Mary and Joseph). So, it's not that they disagreed, The Catholic Church just seems to have decided to take sides with an idea that goes against what the scriptures tell us.

So, indeed, why would they lie? Why is it the scriptures and those who quoted and agree with them are wrong and the ones who agree with your doctrines are right? It's a rhetorical question - answer it to yourself.

1,644 posted on 10/21/2001 10:23:05 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc; OLD REGGIE
Whoa, back up a bit. They didn't disagree. *Some* of them disagreed. It was shown here within the last 200 posts that a fair number of those you wish to call early fathers made specifice note of the natural kin of Jesus (Children of Mary and Joseph). So, it's not that they disagreed, The Catholic Church just seems to have decided to take sides with an idea that goes against what the scriptures tell us.

So, indeed, why would they lie? Why is it the scriptures and those who quoted and agree with them are wrong and the ones who agree with your doctrines are right? It's a rhetorical question - answer it to yourself.

How meany said they were the children of Mary? As I pointed out before, yes the early Fathers believed Jesus had siblings, however the one's I've read maintain that they were the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage as recorded in 'The Protoevangelium of James'(that has come up right?). What Early Church Fathers said Mary was the mother of the other children?

1,674 posted on 10/21/2001 2:29:36 PM PDT by Pelayo
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