[Iowegian]

Hi mitch, good to see another poster here. Jump in any time on any subject or start your own. BTW, why did this discussion look "painful" to you?

[mitch5501]

why does it look painfull? LOL #1402 points it out better than I could.

I know Havoc is trying to make a point...but good grief...holy crap?

We have the Creator of the universe giving us the "power to become the sons of God" and we have to argue over magic.

I'm not sure the mouths of the nay-sayers would be stopped should they happen on this christian discussion.

I know I sound like I'm whining but you get my drift I hope.

I thought I made a pretty big statement in my post...ie:I believe 1 John 5:13 ends the debate of salvation by grace/works.

Wouldn't that be some discussion? 8-)

God bless and thanks for the welcome.