[mitch5501]

why does it look painfull? LOL #1402 points it out better than I could.

I know Havoc is trying to make a point...but good grief...holy crap?

We have the Creator of the universe giving us the "power to become the sons of God" and we have to argue over magic.

I'm not sure the mouths of the nay-sayers would be stopped should they happen on this christian discussion.

I know I sound like I'm whining but you get my drift I hope.

I thought I made a pretty big statement in my post...ie:I believe 1 John 5:13 ends the debate of salvation by grace/works.

Wouldn't that be some discussion? 8-)

God bless and thanks for the welcome.

[Iowegian]

I thought I made a pretty big statement in my post...ie:I believe 1 John 5:13 ends the debate of salvation by grace/works.

You would think so, but you don't know the RC's very well. The won't even admit that their works are works. LOL

[Havoc]

I know Havoc is trying to make a point...but good grief...holy crap?

LOL.

You'll find that sometimes people here don't respond to more than the blatently obvious. I sat, I thought, I prayed. And while my cat scraped at the litter, an answer was provided by way of example. What can I say, I was near tears writing it but it just flowed out so quickly (no pun intended) that I knew I was onto something. Their eyes are misplaced and their minds fail to understand even the word. So a brick between the eyes provides a cure through the painfully obvious (not to mention gross). And it's a brick that will not harm them. It may leave a little prideful lump; but, Jesus is a good cure for pride :)

[IMRight]

Mitch. My apologies for the unfortunate timing of you joining this thread. You are welcome here.

We frequently get a little bent out of shape here (some core beliefs are often questioned, so it is to be expected) and I have acted childishly in the past (or so says my friend JHavard). I believe that the recent post was an abberation for this group (and I pray, for Havoc as well).

I'm not on your "team", but I welcome you to the group.

[OLD REGGIE]

I thought I made a pretty big statement in my post...ie:I believe 1 John 5:13 ends the debate of salvation by grace/works.

Welcome Mitch:

It depends on your perspective. If you have nothing to lose by accepting "free" salvation, you'll have no problem with this.

On the other hand------supposing you had a big business built on the concept of "works" (usually "works" has a dollar tag attached) and you had to justify "indulgances", you could not accept any such thing as "free" salvation.