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To: SoothingDave
As to faith alone, I found this rather long section in the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers.

Here's the link

I don't think this will fit your definition of "faith alone" (could it be that a similar problem exists in how Catholics define faith alone and scripture alone?), however I found the description of faith vs. works and law vs. grace to be very amenable to this Protestant. More to come...

1,191 posted on 10/19/2001 8:09:57 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: the808bass
I don't think this will fit your definition of "faith alone" (could it be that a similar problem exists in how Catholics define faith alone and scripture alone?), however I found the description of faith vs. works and law vs. grace to be very amenable to this Protestant. More to come...

That is long. I will take a look at it. I do think that there will probably be a problem with definitions. Largely that some Protestants (like you) are probably very close to the Catholics in how we view things. Other Protestants are farther away and it is probably those extreme views that I find missing in history. Seriously, debating you is almost completely different than debating with many of the others here.

SD

1,202 posted on 10/19/2001 8:23:59 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: the808bass
From your link Chapter 37 [XXII.] -The Eternal Reward.

Now this eternal life, as I have just mentioned, has been defined to be, that they may know the one true God.168 Accordingly John again says: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God; and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is."169 This likeness begins even now to be reformed in us, while the inward man is being renewed from day to day, according to the image of Him that created him.170

I don't know your exact beliefs on being "saved" but this quote show to me a Catholic understanding of sanctification as being throuhg God's grace and being a true inward renewal being accomplished slowly day-by-day. This certainly stands in contrast to those who take being saved as a one time transformation.

More if I have time to wade through. The stuff on grace and law seems very good to me as well.

SD

1,223 posted on 10/19/2001 9:03:20 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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