To: allend
Check here.
I checked there and found this:
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So much for objectivity.
Now lets check this:
Colossains 4: 9 and with him Ones'imus, the faithful and beloved brother, who is one of yourselves. They will tell you of everything that has taken place here.
10 Aristar'chus my fellow prisoner greets you, and Mark the cousin of Barnabas (concerning whom you have received instructions--if he comes to you, receive him),
11 and Jesus who is called Justus. These are the only men of the circumcision among my fellow workers for the kingdom of God, and they have been a comfort to me.
No difficulty in distinguishing "brother" and "cousin".
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Further, there are approximately 140+ references to Brother in the NT and 185+ references to Brethren in the NT. There is no difficulty in determing the usage.
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Consider this:
Galatians 1 18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with him fifteen days.
19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother.
20 (In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!)
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And this:
Matthew 13
53 And when Jesus had finished these parables, he went away from there,
54 and coming to his own country he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished, and said, "Where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
56 And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?"
Is this confusing?
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Finally, consider this:
Cyril of Jerusalem writes:
"But now is Christ risen from the dead, the first fruits of them that are asleep; - And He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve; (for if thou believe not the one witness, thou hast twelve witnesses;) then He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; (if they disbelieve the twelve, let them admit the five hundred;) after that He was seen of JAMES, HIS OWN BROTHER, and first Bishop of this diocese. Seeing then that such a Bishop originally saw Christ Jesus when risen, do not thou, his disciple, disbelieve him. But thou sayest that His brother James was a partial witness; afterwards He was seen also of me Paul, His enemy; and what testimony is doubted, when an enemy proclaims it? "I, who was before a persecutor, now preach the glad tidings of the Resurrection." (Philip Schaff, Ed., "The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers," Vol. 7, S. Cyril, Archibishop of Jerusalem, "Lecture 14" P. 269) (Emphasis not in original)
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For also JAMES, THE BROTHER, ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, OF CHRIST OUR GOD, to whom the throne of the church of Jerusalem first was entrusted, and Basil, the Archbishop of the Church of Caesarea, whose glory has spread through all the world, when they delivered to us directions for the mystical sacrifice in writing, declared that the holy chalice is consecrated in the Divine Liturgy with water and wine. And the holy Fathers who assembled at Carthage provided in these express terms: "That in the holy Mysteries nothing besides the body and blood of the Lord be offered, as the Lord himself laid down, that is bread and wine mixed with water." Therefore if any bishop or presbyter shall not perform the holy action according to what has been handed down by the Apostles, and shall not offer the sacrifice with wine mixed with water, let him be deposed, as imperfectly shewing forth the mystery and innovating on the things which have been handed down " (Philip Schaff, Ed., "The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers," 2nd Series, Vol. 14; "The Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Undivided Church," The Canons of the Council in Trullo; Often Called The Quinisext Council, A.D. 692, Canon 32, p.716) (Emphasis not in original)
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Do you still have trouble with Brother, Brethren, and Cousin.
Hint: Comparing usage to the Old Testament is not valid. Catholic Answers is not noted for either objectivity or accuracy.
To: OLD REGGIE
Do you still have trouble with Brother, Brethren, and Cousin. Yeah, do you not think "brother according to the flesh" could refer to a cousin or half-brother? Just because you find the word translated as "brother" in English doesn't mean squat.
Hint: Comparing usage to the Old Testament is not valid.
Chapter and verse please? (Or so says you.)
Catholic Answers is not noted for either objectivity or accuracy.
We know that you don't trust Catholic sources and vice versa. It doesn't bear repeating. Does anybody remember exactly what Catholic Answers' big sin was anyway?
SD
To: OLD REGGIE
Do you still have trouble with Brother, Brethren, and Cousin.
Reggie, please clear this up for me, did allend actually give you a link that proves the Catholics know Mary had children after Jesus by their own CE website?
Tell me I missed something, my head is spinning.|-(
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