Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
...like evolution? By the time they are through "developing" doctrine, its source is unrecognizable.
Only the Magisterium is guaranteed to teach correctly and not screw up. We know from here that many who claim to have the Spirit within screw up a lot.
SD
Wow. Well put.
Or could you be implying that the obsession with dead people is for the benefit of non-believers...so that THEY will consider their mortality? Hmmmm...well, I guess that is one tactic for reaching the lost.
Ya didn't read the verses in context? Did ya Dave? (And Joseph didn't have sex just as soon as Mary delivered. Ya know he had to wait about a month.)
Do you really have no realistic art? no representational art?
Chapter and verse, please....That is, from the BIBLE.
The were sent to Him of God. And God followed thereafter in a Cloud. That was God's Doing and it was to serve a purpose. Wow, never thought of that did we. The Lord sent them back to earth to speak to Him. And God the Father was in charge of this communication, not men trying to communicate after their own fashion. Communication with the spirit world is restricted to what God allows us to see. It's the reason that speaking to the dead is against God's law. I've said that before. This is nothing new. The appearance of Moses and Elias was the doing of God within His law. You trying to contact dead people is violation of the law.
I'm curious, You once said you are an artist, well what do you depict?
Except for the unthinking robot part you are catching on. It’s called dying to ones self. It is best illustrated by reciting the Litany of Humility.
O Jesus, meek and humble of heart, hear me.
From the desire of being esteemed,
deliver me, Jesus.
From the desire of being loved,
From the desire of being extolled,
From the desire of being honored,
From the desire of being praised,
From the desire of being preferred to others,
From the desire of being consulted,
From the desire of being approved,
From the fear of being humiliated,
deliver me, Jesus.
From the fear of being despised,
From the fear of suffering rebukes,
From the fear of being calumniated,
From the fear of being forgotten,
From the fear of being ridiculed,
From the fear of being wronged,
From the fear of being suspected,
That others may be loved more than I,
Jesus, grant me the grace to desire it.
That others may be esteemed more than I,
That in the opinion of the world,
others may increase, and I may decrease,
That others may be chosen and I set aside,
That others may be praised and I unnoticed,
That others may be preferred to me in everything,
That others may become holier than I,
provided that I may become as holy as I should.
Impossible to be an unthinking robot if you seek humility.
And what makes you think God isn't the one allowing the saints in Heaven to pray for us?
Some things did Change. The priesthood was done away with, the sacrifice ended in the final sacrifice of the cross, and God reserved the right to himself to judge sin. That was the end of it. Jesus neither changed nor did away with the law.
Now men have certainly usurped a great deal of the authority of God in these things and have tried to make the law of no effect with their traditions and philosophies. But, God is not mocked. There will be an answering.
9 "When you come into the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. 10 There shall not be found among you any one who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, any one who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an auger, or a sorcerer, 11 or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer....
The chapter then goes on to forbid heeding soothsayers or diviners, and tells prophets how to behave.
Now, the only word in the passage having anything to do with the dead is "necromancer".
Webster's dictionary defined "necromancy" as "the art of, or a device for, revealing the future by pretended communication with the spirits of the dead; hence magic in general; conjuration." "Necromancer" is defined only as a derived form.
Thus, following standard protestant exegetical methods, we find that saying "St. David of Wales, patron of my soul, pray to Christ God that he grant mercy to my soul." Is not forbidden by the commandment of God which you cite.
By the way, are you so scrupulous about these things that you wouldn't buy a linen-wool blend jacket? (Just wondering--that's forbidden to the Jews in the Old Covenant too.)
Yes, that is true. But does that make the community infallible? If you say "yes," please support with a scripture reference. Thanks.
Uh, yes, it is. If you are trying to communicate with people who are no longer with us in the flesh, you are trying to breach the barrier between the physical and the spiritual realms. You don't have the right to do that or even attempt it lest God provides it. The communion between spiritual and physical was broken by God when Adam was booted out of Eden. Man's discussion with the Spiritual has occurred on two sets of terms since then: God's and Satan's. You are only allowed to go through God. If you try of yourself, you are in disobedience - opening the door for Satan to fulfill.
You have no idea the amount of trouble you are in doing this stuff. None. In ignorance of God's word the folly is monumental.
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