The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[malakhi]

Don't ya remember? Angelo already said he sides with us on this one after reading both verses Matthew 1;24 & 25 in context. How quickly we forget.

I do agree with you that Jesus had brothers and sisters, but I don't think that verse is definitive.

[malakhi]

but I don't think that verse is definitive

Not that my interpretation of the Christian scriptures is relevent. ;o)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I do agree with you that Jesus had brothers and sisters, but I don't think that verse is definitive.

I thought you said the verses in context around Matthew 1;25 made you lean toward my persuasion. Don't be tip toein around now.

[SoothingDave]

I went to Hollywood Video and rented a 1955 movie about the life of Martin Luther. Anybody want a copy? I could certainly dub it for ya.

Does it have a nihil obstat?

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Does it have a nihil obstat?

I don't anticipate having to object to many parts of it.

[OLD REGGIE]

What do you make of this? Isn't at least possible that this refers to sexual temptation?

Re. Romans 7:

Frankly, I don't know what to make of it. Like you, Paul is not my favorite. I think he is the favorite of those who are willing to pick and choose from his letters.

It could refer to anything you wished it to refer to.

I am not a "typical" Protestant, or ex-Catholic. I read Pauls' letters, and when it is obvious he is speaking for himself, I give it little weight. When it sounds "nutty" I pass over it, when it is obvious he is speaking for the Lord I pay attention.

Maybe you could ask this as a general question? I would love to see how it is interpreted by our brethren.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Yo Reg. If I accept all of the Pauline epistles as the written Word of God. Wouldn't that make you the one that's pickin' and choosin'?

[eastsider]

You have a beautiful family, angelo. Shabbat shalom!

[OLD REGGIE]

Yo Reg. If I accept all of the Pauline epistles as the written Word of God. Wouldn't that make you the one that's pickin' and choosin'?

Yes, if it were possible to accept all of the content of his epistles as the written Word of God. By the time you get to sort out the "I say this by way of concession, not of command(s)."
I wish('s) that all were as I myself am.
To the rest I say(s), not the Lord,
and
Now concerning the unmarried, I have no command of the Lord, but I give my opinion(s) as one who by the Lord's mercy is trustworthy.

You may be able to say that.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I already said it and stand by it. :-)

[Iowegian]

Your commentary that Paul was a misoginist sounds to me more like something liberals would say (feminazis) than something I would read on FR. While it is obvious from your views you are no fundamentalist, do you not even believe in the total inspiration and inerrancy of Scripture? As for your out of context quotes of Paul, you conveniently left this one out:

Galations 3:28-29

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Just because he believes in different roles for men and women, that doesn't mean he is sexist, because he and I and most of Christianity agree with him on this, not you.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

And I find it interesting that you dismiss it because it is only shown to have happened once in the NT, yet y'all make a huge deal out of the Good Thief vis-a-vis bpatism. And that only happened once as well.

Want some cheese with that whine? :)

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I agree. Now Big Mack, would you agree that by suffering the sufferer is changed, transformed? That suffering in the name of Christ develops "character" (for lack of a better word)?

Yes I would agree, but none of it is of our doing. This is what I mean, if it wasn't for Christ saving me and causing a change in me, I wouldn't change on my own, His power works thru us an in us for our good. He keeps us, we don't.

BigMack

[D-fendr]

If I may throw in my view on your discussion.

I understand there's a lot of nuances involved, but in general I think if we are this concerned, focused, involved in determining whether we are eternally secure, whether we are "safe" or saved, etc., then it is evidence that we are still too involved in self.

To give a lame analogy: A player who spends too much time worrying about his own scoring and stats has lost sight of the game.

If we find ourselves inward/self-focused, we should take this as guidance that more growth should come.

[dadwags]

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Good thought, D-fendr. Something to meditate about . Thanks.

[nobdysfool]

If we find ourselves inward/self-focused, we should take this as guidance that more growth should come.

I agree. My concern is for those who are still stuck in that question, to try to help them through it. It is sad that some have to wade in swinging a broadsword, claiming that they are wielding the "Sword of the Spirit" and try to "set everybody straight" with bombast and "thus saith the Lord, and if you don't like it, tough" attitudes. They operate the Sword of the Word with all the finesse of a 40 pound sledge hammer, and then wonder why everyone flames them. I see questions like that as indicative of deeper issues that, if properly dealt with, will solve the surface ones pretty easily.

Hey, I've wrestled with the same questions in times past. I don't appreciate someone looking over my shoulder and trying to correct me for every thing I've said that didn't meet their acceptability standards. I'm secure in my salvation, I don't have to worry about it. It's settled. I walk in fellowship with God, and the Blood of Jesus cleanses me from all sin, continually. I'd like to help others find that peace, but it's not easy when some know-it-all shouts that it is moment-by-moment, and you could be lost at any given instant if you don't repent for every single little sin that you commit. All I can say is, As his name is, so is he....

I believe you know who I'm talking about....

[nobdysfool]

Either way, you or someone other than God should know what the heck you are saying!!

Why? To make sure they haven't said something unscriptural? "No one speaking by the Spirit of God can call Jesus accursed". I don't think that just means in their own language. Does God need someone to double-check? C'mon, Nate, you're grasping at straws here!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

There are some who think that we've got to get them straight on doctrine before they come in, and I think it's better to get them in, then worry about the doctrine, because once they're saved, they have the Holy Spirit to help lead them into all truth; Before they're saved, all they've got is whatever someone tells them.

Am I making any sense here?

Yes you are making a great deal of sense.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I would say the Lord would have us do both. The above verses tell us to "go and teach"

BigMack

[nobdysfool]

If I am judging unrighteously let it be so but I promise, if for this, I Will Burn, then my screams will be joined by those like Hinn, Hagee, Copeland, TBN's crew of thieves and probably the Baker's (provided of course we don't all repent before our deaths )!

And rob you of your "just" satisfaction? Oh, the thought! I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you that those men may have been severely taken to task by God if they spoke the wrong thing and mislead people? And that they may have repented and been forgiven by God? But NOOOOO! You're going to hold them accountable for every word, through the end of time. You hypocrite! Actually, why don't you set the example and repent yourself, and then pray for those men? That would be the Christ-like thing to do, rather than stand afar off and sling arrows at them. Wouldn't it?

[nobdysfool]

I would say the Lord would have us do both. The above verses tell us to "go and teach"

That's what my copy of the Bible says, too...must be right, then...:o)

Thanks!