Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Did the drewids steal your verbs?
SD
Thank you, Robby. You have just conceded the point I have been trying to make. The Greek better suits your beliefs, so you prefer it over the Hebrew original.
And thus our form of present day "cathedral" type of christianity. Our move out of the home. Thank you for that. Not a whole lot of "catholic" speak. Except for mentioning the pope of course.
OK, but what do you do with the person who did at one time commit themselves to the Lord, walked in His ways, then fell away? I get really tired of the smug "well, they were never saved in the first place" answer. It's like Havoc and his hypothetical scenario which he tossed out into the mix, and now backs away from. What would have been my fate if I had died during the time I was backslidden? Havoc says I would be burning right now. You say no. (Personally, I believe the latter. I would have suffered loss of rewards because of my sin, but I would have been saved) But the resulting confusion can cause a lot of concern for a new believer, or one being drawn in. There are some who think that we've got to get them straight on doctrine before they come in, and I think it's better to get them in, then worry about the doctrine, because once they're saved, they have the Holy Spirit to help lead them into all truth; Before they're saved, all they've got is whatever someone tells them.
Am I making any sense here? God loved us so much that He did for us what we couldn't do for ourselves, and He did it before we even knew or cared. His heart was for people, and I think ours needs to be oriented the same way, more concerned about people than about our precious little doctrines and personal beliefs. Not that those aren't important, but not more important than people. It's real easy to be so zealous to protect what we feel to be true, and run rough-shod over people.
I know that didn't have a whole lot to do with your original question, but sometimes the soapbox is there, and I climb up on it and away I go...:o)
Quixt alert
James 1:3-4 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, the ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Without trials and tribulations we can't know our own faith. So each time we face a trial and come out a winner (for lack of better word) we know we can stand that much, so the next time will be easier. If we don't come out a winnner, we should learn that we must not be trusting Jesus but our own selves to get through troubles and pray for his help, which will also help the next time.
Becky
I looked at the source code for your post. You didn't put a close tag at the end of the first line, then started the second line with a new open tag. Two open tags + one close tag means that the browser still thinks you want italics. Jim Rob's software now closes these at the end of the reply so that it does not continue down the rest of the page (like in the old days, when we had to try to fix the font whenever someone didn't close their tags).
How in the world can a translation be inspired if the original is not?? Robby, I'd love to answer to that one!
It is this striving to attain "perfection," through the grace of God that we see as a true "filling up" of ourselves with the grace of Christ. It is not that Christ's work is not done, it is that it needs to be applied to ourselves, to make us perfect.
SD
Becky
Is this a peculiarly Catholic teaching? Remember the prayer that includes the phrase," Vale of tears" Is it compatible with the American view of "happiness" as a kind of natural right?
First of all, I didn't write this.
are you referring to the fact that when we tell people about the Gospel and the accept they will receive the peace of God's Grace from God, or is Grace channel through us to them.
Of course, the ultimate source of grace is from God. We can be channels of this grace to others by spreading the gospel and I think the scripture readings that I posted make that very obvious.
This may be my "bigotry" to catholics coming out, and I am sorry that that is the way you view my questioning,
Questions are good. Reading between the lines to try and find an offensive statement is not. I'm not saying you're doing this today, but that's what I was referring to yesterday.
Now there's a concept that some Catholics would have a hard time wrapping their mind around....
He is a Jew! Of course he believes that Revelation ended before we do.
Angelo's point is that certain key verses appear to have bad translations into Greek and these bad ideas have permeated Christianity, making us see things in the OT that he claims are not there.
SD
Chocolate milk doesn't go well with cheese.
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