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[SoothingDave]

Yes I do believe in a one time act of being saved. Someone who is saved will not give God traits that he doesn't have. We let God be God, take him at his Word, and accept the whole plan, not just what we want to.

How is a "one time act of being saved" different from "as long as we believe in God we'll be OK" as far as salvation goes? Maybe you didn't mean salvation when you said "be OK?"

SD

[malakhi]

II: If she doesn't let ya come in, come on over, I got a crock pot full of beans waiting.

OR: I haven't had any real baked beans, with molasses and fat pork, in almost 60 years. Oh, how I miss that.

Hey, Steven, do you think you could whip up a small batch of your beans 'vegetarian style' or with turkey bacon for me?

Reg, I bet we could find a recipe for you!

[al_c]

We find out today that Blue Cross is trying to screw us on some shots we need for the baby. Since she's a preemie she needs to get a series of shots during flu season for a particular virus which we all have gotten before, but which can lead to death in about 50% of the cases if a preemie gets it. Blue Cross doesn't believe this is necessary and will only pay 70% of the cost. She will need to get one a month for 5 months. The shot costs $1400 each.

This is BS! Have your Dr supply written confirmation that it is medically necessary and don't just wait for the customer service clone to help you, find out who their supervisor is and who the VP is of that supervisor.

My wife called the company that makes the shot and asked them if they could waive the rest of the payment and had someone tell her that our co-pay was "cheaper than a funeral."

Report that person to thier supervisor immediately. That's worse that what BCBS is doing to you.

Insurance companies are in the same boat with lawyers, IMO.

[JohnnyM]

"It is the only way that I can reconcile Free Will with Predestination"

This is a tough topic because its on of those things that blows the minds. Its like talking about relativity in physics. Both free will and predestination exist, but you must take into account that God is outside time. He sees everything at all times, so he knows what you are going to do before you do it. He even knows who will reject or accept Him, but that doesn't mean he makes that decision for you So your predestined in a sense that God knows what decisions you will make, but you have the free will to make those decisions.

I had responded to your main question about salvation, and I swore it got posted, but I can't find it now :(. It seems to have been swallowed up by this forum, and it was fairly long too.

JM

[malakhi]

Yes, my friend, but what of bacon? (Ummmm. Baconnnnnnn) :-)

Funny you bring this up. A few days ago, I mentioned turkey bacon. I bet you couldn't tell the difference in taste.

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

Thanks, always looking to add to my knowledge of scripture.

[al_c]

Good Morning Al. :-)

Don't bash me, you ignoramous!! ;o)

Oh ... er ... what I meant to say was "good morning."

[RobbyS]

How can a statue help you in your faith? Like illustrations in a book help you. For instance, Dore's illustrations of Dante's Divine Comedy help bring the poetry to greater life. A medieval church was decorated to make it a kind of book in stone. The Calvinists stripped the churches they took over in order to make the congregation focus on the preacher and his take on the "Book."

[JohnnyM]

Do you disagree that "I believe" what I said "I believe"?

No, I believe you believe what you said

Do you disagree that Paul relegates women to second class status?

He does not relgate women to 2nd class status.

Do you disagree that Paul says Bishops must be married, etc.?

He says no such thing

Dont let current cultural nuances cloud what the Bible says.

JM

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

They seem silly to you, of course, simply because they are not yours. But ask the Greeks, who serve red-colored eggs at Easter. They also invented Santa Claus.

Actually you are incorrect. The drewids invented Santa Clause as well as the Christmas tree and nearly every other symbol of these holidays which have nothing to do with the true meaning of any of them. They are practiced in the church because many Drewid priests converted to "Catholic" and wouldn't give up their old practices!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

There is a big difference in just believing in God and accepting his gift of salvation. I know alot of people who claim to believe in God but have no clue about what Jesus did for them and don't even want to know. They are not saved. Looking back at my statement I can see where I didn't elaborate enough on it and I am sorry for that.

Becky

[nobdysfool]

Salvation is salvation from what we were. And it gives us a chance to be what we can be through God's help. I want you to ask yourself this: If we are 100% free from the law of sin and death, why was the couple in Acts 5 put to death by God for sin? There is a quite obvious answer for this in scripture; but...

Would it be fair to say that, given the fact that at salvation we are freed from the compulsion to sin by virtue of the fact that Jesus freed us from the sinful nature we once possessed, that for the first time in our lives we actually have the choice of whether to sin or not? That's the way I see it. We've locked horns before, and I believe that we're actually closer to the same belief than you think. I don't like sin, I hate sin, and I don't make a practice of sinning. Before salvation, I couldn't help but sin, as it was my nature. Since salvation, I can choose to practice righteousness rather than sin, as it is my nature now to practice righteousness. The only thing that makes that difficult at times is that I still inhabit the old body, which still would sin, if I let it. That is the part of salvation that has a future component: the redemption of the body. I see what you're saying in seeing eternal life as different from salvation. Eternal life includes the redemption of the body.

Would you revisit the hypothetical situation for a second and clear up something that I'm still not clear on, as to your belief? Say this person has been a Christian for 20 years, walking with the Lord, practicing righteousness, obeying God and being everything that a Christian should be. He inadvertantly sins in a momentary lapse, not premeditated, not planned, but sins nonetheless, and before he can ask for forgiveness in prayer, or simply say "Lord, please forgive me", i.e. in the next instant, he is killed in an explosion, instantaneously. What is his fate in Christ? Does he still go to be with the Lord?

[ksen]

What is your definition of predestination?

I know most strict Calvinists will say that predestination means God chooses who will be saved and who won't. I don't think the Scriptures support such an idea. Instead I see the Scriptures as saying that God has predestinated the WAY of Salvation [i.e. through Christ] but not the WHO of Salvation [i.e. me, you, whoever].

-ksen

[NATE4"ONE NATION"]

Um, thank you, drive thru!
Thank you for your well thought out, educated response. You have obviously never seen pictures of either one of them. So I forgive your passionate ignorance.

[OLD REGGIE]

Ha! O.K....so why don't we have a current translation from the "more valid" Greek texts supposedly used for the KJV, and not just a slightly less-archaic (New K.J.) version of one written in 1610 ?!!!! MUST we speak antique English to be righteous? I have a few different versions, and between them, reading the footnotes, Greek and Hebrew words, it seems pretty clear to me that we can now do a lot better.

There are alternatives. Here are some:

BIBLE GATEWAY>
Eleven versions. I guarantee you'll find some of them wanting.

NAB

DOUAY-RHEIMS>

LATIN VULGATE

[JohnnyM]

"verything you say is true for the saved. But how can you know you are among them"

1 John 5:10-13
"he one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life."

JM

[nobdysfool]

I have another question for you. Were Gentiles ever under the Law? If so, when did that happen? If not, why are there so many trying to bind us under requirements of a Law that wasn't even given to them or their ancestors?

[SoothingDave]

The drewids invented Santa Clause as well as the Christmas tree and nearly every other symbol of these holidays which have nothing to do with the true meaning of any of them. They are practiced in the church because many Drewid priests converted to "Catholic" and wouldn't give up their old practices!

The "drewids"? You mean to tell me that the fans of the Drew Carey Show did all this? Wow!

Thank you, drive threw, er thru.

SD

[RobbyS]

Actually you are wrong, because St. Nicholas was a Greek bishop,whose feast Day is December 6. He was famous for gift-gicing a long time before the Christianty reached the forests of western Europe. He didn't become Santa Claus until after the Dutch St. Nick was commercialized in the 19th Century. In Germany, for instances, gifts(or coals and switches) are given on St. Nicholas Eve to good(bad) little boys and girls. The egg, of course, symbolizes new life, and at Easter the life of the resurrection.

[ksen]

Hopefully someone will give us some terms and we won't have to put it on a credit card.

Can you go to your curch for help? I know mine has a Benevolence Fund that people contribute to and when one of our families [sometimes we help out non-member families if we can] has a need like you described we help them out. It is not a loan or charity, we don't ask to get paid back we just ask that when you are able that you help someone else out.

If your church is not able to help then I would check out the independant Baptist churches in your area. We have helped out nonmembers before as long as we can verify the need and make a reasonable attempt to make sure that we are not being scammed. I think we've even helped out a couple of those "dastardly" Catholic families before [conversion not required]. ;^)

-ksen