Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
I don't want this to be a problem for people. I'll see if I can jigger with the settings so that registration is not necessary.
What do you mean by that? ;-)
SD
"[16]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. . . [21]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Ga 2:16,21
If it is a work of God then it will last forever.
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor anything taken from it: and god doeth it, that men should fear before him. Ecc 3:14
I think that we are thinking too linearly (is that a word?) about God and Salvation.
That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and god requireth that which is past Ecc 3:15
What are some of the attributes of God? For one He is Omnipotent, that is He is all-powerful, there is nothing mightier than He. He is also Omniscient, He is all-knowing, there is nothing that He does not know or that is hid from Him. He is also Omnipresent, He is all-present, there is nowhere you can go on earth or in Heaven where He would not be.
Finally, He is Omnitemporal (new word?) that is He is present at every moment of history past, present, and future. For God everything is a constant IS. He does not have to wait for anything to happen. There is no difference for Him. The moment of Creation, the Crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Rapture, the coming Kingdom, all are constant to Him, including the moment of our Salvation.
For us there was a time when we were not Saved and then a time when we were, we noticed a transition. For God there is no distinction, to Him either we are Saved or we are not. To Him there has not been a time when we were not His and then a time when we were His. We have always been His from the Foundation of the World.
If you are Saved and reading this post, did you know that you are in the Bible? Look at Re 19:1,
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: Re 19:1
Those much people, are us!
Well, those are my thoughts. That is how I understand God and Salvation. Taking Gods Nature into account I dont know how Salvation(Eternal Life) can be anything other than secure.
-ksen
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The above is reposted from #6538. I am sorry for the repost but I would like to hear people's thoughts. Am I totally wrong for viewing Salvation and God this way? It is the only way that I can reconcile Free Will with Predestination. For us here in time we have complete Free Will. For God in Eternity everything IS.
-ksen
Then we turn around and say "but we can't imagine a merciful God damning innocent children who were never baptised, or the unborn, etc." So I guess the point is that if we are accused of using doublethink or "cognitive dissonance" in unabsolutising our absolutes, you haven't found the only instance.
SD
Who's turn is it to cut the cheese today? :-)
Becky
Thank you, got any cheese? She let me back in when I told her I wouldn't buy any more horse feed. But shes still being mean, will you pray for me? :)
BigMack
Nice guys, so how many acts of penance does your wife have to do after tearing the guys head off over the phone? ;^)
Reminds me of what C.S.Lewis wrote in Mere Christianity. He basically said that the women's role was to protect the family: her kids, her husband, etc. Lewis then went on to say that it was the husband's job to protect the rest of the world from his wife. He illustrated it by saying if you accidently did something to little Johnny who would you rather face, little Johnny's mom or little Johnny's dad? ;^)
Seriously though, I will be praying that God works this situation out for your family.
-ksen
And I can't get her to come and push the button on my tv remote control either, shes always been mean to me. :(
BigMack
It is shameful when protestants do that, as an IFBB my point was to teach Douglas the differences in the different groups. There is a difference. He is asking questions about the differences in religions. I know what I believe and I know some things about Catholics. My statement should have in no way been offensive to any one who was not always on the defensive and looking for insults. Huummmm...Funny there where several people who got defensive. Are you ashamed of something Dave:)
Becky
Well, those are my thoughts. That is how I understand God and Salvation. Taking Gods Nature into account I dont know how Salvation(Eternal Life) can be anything other than secure.
You have a very nuanced view and I am hard pressed to find anything flawed in your thinking. (I especially like the part about God not being in time. Keep that in mind next time we talk about praying for the dead, eh?)
Of course I have to have an objection to the notion of "secure salvation." It is quite simple and undercuts any argument -- Everything you say is true for the saved. But how can you know you are among them. God knows. You do not. Until you reach the end.
SD
My apologies for impugning your motives. You are right that often we crouch in a defensive stance, waiting for the other shoe to drop.
SD
See Becky these guys know that you can cut the cheese better than me. :)
Steven your on your own now, I will pray for you. :)
BigMack
SD
I have changed the settings on the alternate site so that you will NOT be required to register in order to post on the board. Here is how it works. When you click on 'reply' (to a specific post) or 'Add Reply' (to post to the thread), you will get a screen with fields for:
Your User Name:
Your Password:
Subject:
Your Comment:
If you are a registered user, and logged in, just post as you normally would. If you are not logged in, filling out the first two fields will log you in.
If you are NOT a registered user, simply type in your name in the first field, leave the password field BLANK, and type in your comment. (NOTE: there must be something in the 'Subject' field or it won't post). Your post will be marked as by an 'unregistered user'.
Its that simple!
I will try it this way and see how it works.
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