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For us there was a time when we were not Saved and then a time when we were, we noticed a transition. For God there is no distinction, to Him either we are Saved or we are not. To Him there has not been a time when we were not His and then a time when we were His. We have always been His from the Foundation of the World.

Well, those are my thoughts. That is how I understand God and Salvation. Taking God’s Nature into account I don’t know how Salvation(Eternal Life) can be anything other than secure.

You have a very nuanced view and I am hard pressed to find anything flawed in your thinking. (I especially like the part about God not being in time. Keep that in mind next time we talk about praying for the dead, eh?)

Of course I have to have an objection to the notion of "secure salvation." It is quite simple and undercuts any argument -- Everything you say is true for the saved. But how can you know you are among them. God knows. You do not. Until you reach the end.

"verything you say is true for the saved. But how can you know you are among them"

1 John 5:10-13
"he one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life."

JM