Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Pete denied Christ three times, So Christ turns around and tells him three times to feed the flock. That's the Job of any apostle for those in Rio-Linda. Apostles feed sheep - ie teach the Gospel. It isn't a "Threefold Charge" it's a threefold forgiveness. Tell me, if you have troops that go awol and then return, do you laud them with honors and make them Generals and officers? Yet you want us to believe that Jesus' restoration of Peter in that verse is just that. The verse doesn't support it, nothing else supports it - it's just your claim - your idea. Kinda shows how dumb the idea is, don't you think. Ok, well,you may not see it; but, those who aren't from Rio Linda can anyway....
Here is the same statement said to all the disciples without reference to the "keys", verse 18. Therefore, this statement can and does stand alone as a separate thought not necessarily in regard to the "keys". I submit that when Christ said this he was not referring to Peter alone but all the disciples. Verse 19 below further describes this binding and loosing as anything two disciples agree on.
Matthew 18 1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Someone "with more than two iq points to rub together" would have dropped an embarassingly wrong argument when he was proven wrong. I thought that's what you had done in your last post to me (dropped it and moved on to a different argument that is).
The Greek manuscipts do not "start(s) thoughts (sentences) with a Cap [amazing - just like english]"
You claim that you can read Greek and some Chaldee, yet the evidence seems pretty clear that you have never even seen a Greek manuscript. Continuing the point just makes you look silly.
But please feel free to prove me wrong: Provide me a link to any Greek manuscript prior to the ninth century with any differentiation of the sort you claim to see. Show me one colon/semi-colon or one sentence that begins with a capital (and is not all capitals).
Partial credit will be given for any manuscript from the first millenium after Christ (I think the only ones with puctuation & capitalization are Latin). Please dazzle us with your scholarship... or leave the Greek to Bassman.
What some call legend, others call myth. What some call passed down tradition, others call manufactured evidence and heresay. You aren't going to tell us that word of mouth things have been passed on accurately since the 1st century, are you? And you aren't going to offer proof for the source of what you call tradition or for when it was offered either.. Your tradition is whatever your church decides to say - without authority, without proof, without proof of origin. And it comes with the sucker phrase of history "TRUST US". As I quoted before "..a legend and an outta work bum look a lot alike, Daddy!"
How DO those work?!
Do they ping a radio signal, or can I merely use my digital camera to, ahem, copy one from a car found on a public street?
They are radio transmiters that transmit a certain ID. The McDonald's would have a receiver that could decode this ID and then bill the proper account. These tags are used throughout the Northeast called "EZPass," where the same tag works on the toll roads of the several states involved.
I suppose cloning could be done, but would not likely be very lucrative. On the other hand, I did read about people using Palm Pilot's with infrared signal capability to intercept and copy the remote door lock signal for cars in Europe. (Europe doesn't use radio waves for things like we do. To open your car, you have to point your fob directly at the receiver near the rearview mirror.)
SD
They are the Keys to the Kingdom, a Kingdom which is already in the process of being bult up here on earth, in the Church. At some time, Jesus will return and rescue His Church, fulfill His Kingdom. At this time Peter's stewardship will end.
Please consider my housesitting analogy. Peter has responsibility to watch over the house until Jesus returns. This entail some degree of decision making. If I'm away sunning myself on an island and I get a burst pipe, I expect the housesitter to call a plumber, not wait for my return. There is some deputizing of authority inherent in giving someone your keys.
SD
Chapter and Verse? We KNOW He could READ!
Chapter and verse, indeed. Can you cite me a chapter and verse of any book written by Jesus?
Angelo was not saying that Jesus was illiterate. He was sayign that Jesus did not write any books. We have nothing that He wrote, it is not recorded elsewhere that He wrote a book. Rather His ministry was a more personal one.
Certainly, if God intended us to get everything we need from a book, He would have written it while He was here, don't you think? Instead He focused on dealing with people and using other people to convey His message.
SD
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The Jews recognized the Torah--the "law," or "instruction" contained in the first five books of the Bible--as nothing less than the very revelation of God. It revealed his intimate thoughts about himself and about the sacred way of life he was offering to his people. In centuries past, when the question was asked, "What is God doing in heaven?" the rabbis routinely answered: "Reading Torah!"
How did Jesus view the Torah? He told his followers that he was sent from the Father to fulfill the law, to bring it to fruition. That is why his Sermon on the Mount focuses on the "heart" or "inner intention" behind the ancient commandments. For example, Jesus explained that it's not enough to avoid doing physical harm to one's neighbor. If we are to love from the heart, we must learn to live in peace with our neighbor as well. Again, it's not enough to avoid stealing and committing adultery. We need to do away with the desire to possess what rightfully belongs to someone else.
Even as he raised the requirements of God's commands, Jesus didn't paint a picture of God as a stern judge eager to punish our every sin. God loves us, and invites us to embrace his love. He wants to change us by the power of his Spirit so we can love what he loves and so we can turn away from what is sinful.
God's love is a consuming fire. It burns away our evil desires and fills us with a longing to please him and to lay down our lives in humble service of one another. St. Augustine once said, "Fulfill the commandments out of love. Could anyone refuse to love our God, so abounding in mercy, so just in all his ways? Could anyone deny love to him who first loved us despite all our injustice and all our pride?" Let's ask the Holy Spirit to purify our thoughts and fill our hearts with God's love. Then we will begin to desire only what is pleasing to God.
"Thank you, Lord, for giving me your Holy Spirit. Fill my heart with your surpassing love and make me holy as you are holy."
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God bless.
AC
AH ah ah ah lay ay ay oo oo yah!
I do appreciate you finishing out my song. Are you aware that we do not use that word during Lent? For the 6 weeks or so that we focus on repentence, we do not utter the joyous word of praise and thanks to God.
It makes it all the more special when the Easter day comes and we can sing it loudly and boldly, as if it were the first time, as if we just heard the Good News.
SD
"THE VATICAN’S ROT: I bumped into another gay Catholic tonight – Notre Dame graduate, weekly church-goer, concerned and dedicated layman. He told me he couldn’t go to church any more. The way in which the Vatican’s chief spokesman, Joaquin Navarro-Falls, tried to pin the Church’s pedophile corruption on good gay priests last Sunday was just too much for him. “They’ve declared war on us. All of us,” he said to me. “If we stay, we simply condone the bigotry and ingratitude. I don’t know where to go, but I cannot stay any more.” I’m beginning to believe he’s right – this is a watershed moment. For a quarter of a century, gay Catholics and gay priests have clung to the reed of the 1976 doctrine that homosexuality as a condition is not sinful, and that homosexuals are persons with dignity who belong in the Church. Now Navarro-Falls, a member of the Opus Dei sect that now dominates the Church hierarchy while the pope declines into aged irrelevance, has abandoned that doctrine. Gays cannot be ordained, he says. Worse, their ordinations are invalid. He’s almost daring gay priests to quit. You know how many American priests would be left? Perhaps half of the current number. And a hierarchy that subjected children in its care to serial molestation now tries to change the subject by impugning its own innocent gay priests. This gambit by the hierarchy shows the “objective disorder” at the heart of their ideology. As Margery Eagan puts it in Tuesday’s Boston Herald,
"While church leadership dumped from Boston parishes Catholic gays who refused to renounce their ``sin,'' as we all know now it has not even acknowledged what scholars and parishioners - and their children - have noticed for years: that scores of Catholic priests - many of its very, very finest priests, in fact - are gay. But the big gay elephant sits there in the middle of the rectory table. We pretend we don't see it. The culture of silence prevails.
"Eagen is no anti-Catholic liberal and neither is her paper. And nor am I. She just sees corruption and bigotry when it stares her in the face. She also shows how the Vatican’s stupendous hypocrisy over its own gay priests is connected with the pedophile corruption. Good gay priests may have been afraid to name pedophiles for fear they would be smeared as well. It turns out their fears were justified. It seems to me that after the Vatican’s declaration of war on its gay clergy last weekend that gay priests have a simple duty. They need to come out in large numbers to their parishioners and to the press. They need to dare the Vatican to fire them. They need to stop the defensiveness of the past, stand up for their moral integrity, and expose the rot at the heart of the Church. And lay Catholics need to support them against the hierarchy every inch of the way. How dare the Church impugn innocents while it shelters the guilty? And how can decent American Catholics not rise up against the hierarchy for it?"
Sounds about right to me. It's never correct to assume that "infallibility" has anything to do with the man. It (and binding/loosing, keys, etc), is nothing more than God communicating through His people, just like He always did OT or NT.
This was, of course, before the NT canon was closed. So Justin having a different opinion was not really a problem.
SD
allend: We give you the historical evidence -- from Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, etc., but you reject it because you care nothing for the truth, which is to say, you care nothing for Jesus, because he is the Truth. You care for nothing but your own manufactured religion.
Indeed, if Christ were to come down from heaven, and personally tell Havoc Peter is the guy he chose to be His Vicar on earth, Havoc would probably assume to was an elaborate trick of the Pope's [g].
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