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The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)
Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams


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To: angelo
Nope, I disagree.

The sacrifice acceptable to God is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. (Psalm 51:17) I acknowledged my sin to thee, and I did not hide my iniquity; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin. (Psalm 32:5)


Beautiful passage. I agree whole heartedly but who do you confess them to? And how do you enter into the place of worship where this can take place?

There is one way between God and man, The Way.
There are many broken and humble buddahists and muslims, but they are broken before false gods.

Any god approached, apart from Christ, is a false god. and not The God, Jehovah. He has turned His ears from those who reject His Son.
31,521 posted on 03/04/2002 6:24:10 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Thank you. That was very informative. What is your opionion regarding the type of Islam Louis Farakhann and his followers observe?

I know that the Nation of Islam considered to be a fringe, 'wacko' sect by many muslims. Kind of a cross between fundamentalist Islam, black nationalism, and Heaven's Gate. Calypso Louie has some odd ideas about UFO's.

31,522 posted on 03/04/2002 6:26:42 AM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
These are the ones that are unanimously agreed to be messianic. There are other passages that some think are messianic, and some don't. For example, there is disagreement among Jews as to whether Genesis 3:15 is messianic or not. Since there is not agreement, and since the passage does not explicitly mention the messiah, it is not included on the list I gave above.

When you get a moment would you either post the references for the non-unanimous passages or a link to a site that would have that information? Is that part of what makes up the Talmud, a bunch of Rabbis arguing over the meaning of different verses? If that is what the Talmud is then it almost sounds like "TNS (The Jewish Chronicles)" ;^)

Thanks for putting up with my questions.

-ksen

31,523 posted on 03/04/2002 6:27:48 AM PST by ksen
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To: angelo
Western culture values innovation, creativity and change, and these cultural values have driven the advancement of science and technology. And you can't simply mimic or copy creativity.

Worked for Japan for a long time.

SD

31,524 posted on 03/04/2002 6:28:03 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I think the problem with Islam is 2-fold. 1) It was written conceived/revealed durring a time of war. Therefore the text goes back and forth between advocating/justifying violence and calls for peace. Second, It is a religion stillcaught in the middle ages. It would have been easy to say Christianity was a religion of violence durring the inquisition/reformnation/war of roses, etc. But that does not mean that Christianity is areligion of violence. I suspect that everyone on this thread would agree that it is a religion of peace. Hopefully the same will be said for Islam (if it is still around) is 300 years.
31,525 posted on 03/04/2002 6:29:22 AM PST by Joyful Wisdom
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
I agree whole heartedly but who do you confess them to?

Directly to God in prayer.

And how do you enter into the place of worship where this can take place?

God is everywhere. I talk to Him wherever I am.

There is one way between God and man, The Way. There are many broken and humble buddahists and muslims, but they are broken before false gods. Any god approached, apart from Christ, is a false god. and not The God, Jehovah. He has turned His ears from those who reject His Son.

Yes, I know you believe this. I disagree. Just because you believe this does not make it true.

NCs tend to criticize Catholics for putting priests, Mary, or other saints in between them and Jesus. They say that there is no mediator except Jesus between God and man. Jews take this same logic one step further. We believe that we can approach God directly, that we need no mediator between God and us.

31,526 posted on 03/04/2002 6:31:09 AM PST by malakhi
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Probably not. Avs have Blake and Heduk out. Should be back soon.

Stars lost Modano last night. Not too serious, though. His goal during one of the Avs' powerplays was very impressive... you gotta admit that.

Nuggets are just a lost cause.

But they put on a decent show last night.

31,527 posted on 03/04/2002 6:31:56 AM PST by al_c
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To: ksen
When you get a moment would you either post the references for the non-unanimous passages or a link to a site that would have that information?

I'll see what I can do, although I can't think of anyplace offhand that has a list of all these disputed passages in one place.

Is that part of what makes up the Talmud, a bunch of Rabbis arguing over the meaning of different verses?

Yes, in part.

If that is what the Talmud is then it almost sounds like "TNS (The Jewish Chronicles)" ;^)

LOL! A good analogy. ;o)

31,528 posted on 03/04/2002 6:33:39 AM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
I know that the Nation of Islam considered to be a fringe, 'wacko' sect by many muslims. Kind of a cross between fundamentalist Islam, black nationalism, and Heaven's Gate. Calypso Louie has some odd ideas about UFO's.

It is my feeling that the Nation of Islam is merely a cover for the black nationalism. It is an act, an attempt to be provocative, to spit in the face of the American mainstream. Since America is a predominately Christian country, the black seperatists choose to be "Islmaic" for the shock value.

Little of this is to be confused with actual Islam.

SD

31,529 posted on 03/04/2002 6:34:31 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: al_c
Stars lost Modano last night. Not too serious, though. His goal during one of the Avs' powerplays was very impressive... you gotta admit that.

Most of his goals are impressive. As good as he is I'd still rather have Sakic.

31,530 posted on 03/04/2002 6:38:29 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I do not think Islam is a religion of peace, but I also do not feel it is a religion of violence.

I guess if you're just cheering when you hear the news that 3,000 americans are dead that wouldn't make one violent.

Sigh. Two things, one already mentioned. Back in the day, not too long ago, various Christian factions were very cruel and warlike. This must make Christianity a religion of war, no? What about those fine Christians who helped wipe out and dislocate the native peoples of this continent? I'm sure the Indians felt that Christianity was a peaceful religion. As long as you did whatever the white man said, that is.

Second, Have you ever cheered upon hearing of the US dropping bombs on Iraq or Libya?

SD

31,531 posted on 03/04/2002 6:39:42 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Invincibly Ignorant;al_c
Stars lost Modano last night. Not too serious, though. His goal during one of the Avs' powerplays was very impressive... you gotta admit that.

Most of his goals are impressive. As good as he is I'd still rather have Sakic.

Anybody you guys don't want, we'll be happy to take 'em in Pittsburgh.

SD

31,532 posted on 03/04/2002 6:40:52 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Second, Have you ever cheered upon hearing of the US dropping bombs on Iraq or Libya?

Thanks SD. Appreciate the back up. Like the allusion. Never thought of it in those terms before.

31,533 posted on 03/04/2002 6:42:55 AM PST by Joyful Wisdom
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To: SoothingDave
Sigh. Two things, one already mentioned. Back in the day, not too long ago, various Christian factions were very cruel and warlike. This must make Christianity a religion of war, no? What about those fine Christians who helped wipe out and dislocate the native peoples of this continent? I'm sure the Indians felt that Christianity was a peaceful religion. As long as you did whatever the white man said, that is.Yes I can see how Christianity can be perceived as a violent religion as well.

Second, Have you ever cheered upon hearing of the US dropping bombs on Iraq or Libya?

I wasn't out in the street waving my hands. Another difference. I wouldn't be happy if we were targeting civilians although I know that some civilian casualties cannot be helped.

31,534 posted on 03/04/2002 6:44:37 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: SoothingDave
Anybody you guys don't want, we'll be happy to take 'em in Pittsburgh.

Just wait around a couple of years and you're sure to get some of the Stars ... they are the oldest team on average in the NHL.

31,535 posted on 03/04/2002 6:50:11 AM PST by al_c
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
As good as he is I'd still rather have Sakic.

A good all-around player.

31,536 posted on 03/04/2002 6:50:59 AM PST by al_c
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I wasn't out in the street waving my hands.

It's what's in the heart that counts, right?

Another difference. I wouldn't be happy if we were targeting civilians although I know that some civilian casualties cannot be helped.

OK, fair enough.

Now what about the historical questions? Wouldn't you be forced to view Christianity as a violent religion just a few hundred years ago? Is it possible that a deeper understanding of Islam can emerge, as a deeper Christian one already has? We did get a 600 year head start on being civilizied.

SD

31,537 posted on 03/04/2002 6:52:04 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: al_c
As good as he is I'd still rather have Sakic.

A good all-around player.

Just think of what this guy's done in the last year. A Stanley cup, A league MVP, an olympic Gold Medal and Olympics MVP. Not to mention 15 mil a year.

31,538 posted on 03/04/2002 6:53:04 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: angelo
We believe that we can approach God directly, that we need no mediator between God and us.

What about the Aaronic priesthood? I thought God chose to use them as mediators between the nation Israel and Himself. After all, not just anybody could enter the Holy of Holies and go into the direct presence of God. Only the High-Priest could do that, and then he could only do that once a year.

-ksen

31,539 posted on 03/04/2002 6:56:30 AM PST by ksen
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To: SoothingDave
Now what about the historical questions? Wouldn't you be forced to view Christianity as a violent religion just a few hundred years ago?

I'm not denying Christianity can be perceived as a violent religion. I'm not accusing one and discounting the other.

Is it possible that a deeper understanding of Islam can emerge, as a deeper Christian one already has?

Yes. But I'd feel alot better if at least 1 out of 100 muslim leaders would come out denounce the actions of their "militant" brothers. That has not happened.

31,540 posted on 03/04/2002 6:59:00 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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