Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Thanks though and best wishes to you both
Does abstinence render procreation impossible? Are you implying that the entire Priesthood is intrinsically evil?
There you go again. Again to the Catechism paragraph you cited.
"...In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil
Abstinance is not an action. It is the avoidance of an action. Therefore, your argument, as such, falls flat. Really, Reggie. Try reading it as other than a source of loopholes and "gotchas."
SD
Does abstinence render procreation impossible? Are you implying that the entire Priesthood is intrinsically evil?
There you go again. Again to the Catechism paragraph you cited.
"...In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil
Abstinance is not an action. It is the avoidance of an action. Therefore, your argument, as such, falls flat. Really, Reggie. Try reading it as other than a source of loopholes and "gotchas."
SD
I think that is very well put. Thanks for posting it along with the rest; well done.
Who here doesn't? I've even got a carry permit.
SD
As mentioned above, celibacy is not an "act." Unless you consider resisting sin to be an "act."
If you want to get silly, every act that is not marital relations is a sin then. When I pray, give alms, wipe my baby's butt, the act "renders procreation impossible." I better get to confession. Uh oh, the confession is also an act which renders procreation impossible. So is typing this. And responding to your nonsense.
SD
Really, I haven't seen too many airplanes take off down the runway to go find a bird to excersize with in my entire life. Please explain this feat. I'm sure the military in this country would love to be briefed on such an amazing discovery as an airplane that flys autonomously..
Crazy isn't it? I think that when people read things in the worst possible light, and later admit that they don't understand the terminology or concepts they were reading, that they should apologize for assuming the worst of something they don't understand. I'm funny that way.
Dave, is it possible for you to get a blanket forgiveness for all your mischaracterizations? Ask for help. Were here to help you. Just ask.
Forgiveness from whom?
When I get out of line, I apologize. If you have something in mind, bring it on.
SD
There are planes that fly without men. There are no men who fly without planes. Ponder that.
(Helicopters, rockets, balloons, etc. excepted)
SD
No, it's a work and therefore has no bearing on your salvation. Come on Dave, get with the program.
.22 rifle UNREGISTERED
I'll take matches, rope and kindling any day.Oh my God, Robby owns a gun!!!Who here doesn't? I've even got a carry permit.
It wasn't necessary for them to write down everything he said and did. And they took their charge quite seriously. The unfortunate thing is many people don't take what they did or said seriously and try to make their deeds seem not to be enough. Many give heresay as much or more credibility than what they said. And it hasn't stopped certain people from forging what they'd rather was said into the lexicon. No, we were given what we needed. If there'd been more, it would have just given greater need for forgery to produce the means by which some people would seek their ends. Truth isn't what matters to some, nor the volume of it. expediency to their particular comforts is the rule. Don't play games with regard to the apostles - you do them a dis-service and you are speaking out your aft end in doing so. Tell me one thing that cannot be determined from scripture that is necessary for your attaining heaven. One thing.
Unregistered until he posted on a public forum. A good old varmint rifle. The lst place I lived in was a duplex by itself with a lot of woods behind it. The neighbor would shoot raccoons and groundhogs whenever he saw 'em. Groundhogs are so stupid they will stand up on their hind legs and look around if you whistle at 'em.
SD
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