The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[SoothingDave]

Mr.C would have behaved in an objective manner if he was listening to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the source of Truth. The objective source of Truth. He is being subjective if he listens to "his" own whims and fancies. The key here is the Holy Spirit.

I don't think we can tell that from my story. If he is listening to himself or the Holy Spirit, that is. The assumption is that he believes he is hearing the Holy Spirit.

SD

[JohnnyM]

I assure you I have taken that scripture in context. Like you said the book of Hebrews is addressed to Jews, and that passage does make reference to the sacrificial system set up by God when the Israelites left Egypt, and it is a perfect example of showing that Christ is the perfect sacrifice and you CANNOT fall away. Like you said. In the old sacrificial system, the lamb or the bull or cleansed passed sins and were temporary. They must be repeated year after year to cover your sins, but Christ was the perfect sacrifice because he solved the issue of sin once and for all. You do not have to sacrifice Him year after year, because his Blood atones all sins for all time, so it is impossible then to fall away, because if you did, that would mean Jesus would have to be re-crucified. You cannot lose your salvation, because the Perfect has come and replaced the imperfect.

JM

[JohnnyM]

so then your real question is, like someone has already mentioned, is how do you know you are hearing the Holy Spirit? How do you know your interpretation is correct?

JM

[Havoc]

I know the idea of Christians praying for each other is abhorent to you, but why is it I don't believe you know what the Catholic Church teaches?

Well, let's see. The idea of people praying for each other doesn't bother me in the slightest and never has. It's your doctrine of talking to dead people in violation of God's laws that is a bother to me. Blasphemy has a tendancy to bring out a really bad side in me.

Prove that the Catholic Church teaches that purgatory is "a work performed by the person." When will you learn that you don't have the foggiest notion what you are talking about. It's been what? three days in a row I have called you on stating false teachings of the Church. You haven't backed up any of them.

LOL - yeah, ok. Do we need to just go back into the 161 threads of the old chronicles and bring forth what you seem to have forgotten has already been discussed. Purgatory is a work. It is a work because if God could do that work in half the time to begin with, it would be done immediately. Prayer doesn't speed God up - He works in His own time. Admit it, Purgatory is a work. And it is a money making scheme that built a large building for Catholicism long ago. Why stop the money rolling in. If 1% of all Roman Catholics chip in $20 for purgatory, that's no small chunk of change. So don't give us the 'Oh yeah, $20 is a lot of money' junk. Fraud is fraud. It would be more appropriate to compare the $20 to 30 pieces of silver!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Of course what the scripture says with the help of the HS. But there are alot of people who claim to be led by the HS and are not. Such as predestination believers:) Only God can sort them out, but we are told to refute those who are teaching wrong, but we can't MAKE them change, only God can.

Becky

[hopefulpilgrim]

Sorry if I came across as the Dr. Laura of the Neverending Story. Hopefulpilgrim

[SoothingDave]

And like Mr.C would you leave your church if you found their major teachings were wrong?

Now we venture into strange territory. I can't imagine a major teaching being wrong. Were it somehow the case and I could not, after honestly trying, reconcile the difference, I would probably behave like most people, and follow their gut instinct. You did say "major" teaching. A minor thing like about animals, I can have a personal opinion, but if pushed I will abide by the Church's teaching. A major thing I have trouble imagining. It is almost like trying to imagine what you would do tomorrow if you woke up and water flowed uphill.

SD

[Havoc]

"No one will get out until the last penny is paid."

Yeah, they have to pay. If they are paying it is work. Either way, it is unbiblical claptrap..

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Yes he should follow the conviction of his heart, if his motives are pure.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Sorry if I came across as the Dr. Laura of the Neverending Story. Hopefulpilgrim

No worry, you didn't :)

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

I know the idea of Christians praying for each other is abhorent to you, but why is it I don't believe you know what the Catholic Church teaches?

Well, let's see. The idea of people praying for each other doesn't bother me in the slightest and never has. It's your doctrine of talking to dead people in violation of God's laws that is a bother to me. Blasphemy has a tendancy to bring out a really bad side in me.

Once again you speak from ignorance. Praying for the dead in Purgatory had nothing to do with praying with the "dead" saints in Heaven. Once again you confuse issues.

If a fellow Christian was stuck in a well, we might very well pray that God helps them out. If a fellow Christian was struggling with sin, we might very well pray that God helps them with their struggle.

When a fellow Christian dies and is suffering the transition of Purgatory, we might very well pray that their visit is brief.

Prove that the Catholic Church teaches that purgatory is "a work performed by the person." When will you learn that you don't have the foggiest notion what you are talking about. It's been what? three days in a row I have called you on stating false teachings of the Church. You haven't backed up any of them.

LOL - yeah, ok. Do we need to just go back into the 161 threads of the old chronicles and bring forth what you seem to have forgotten has already been discussed.

You didn't know what you were talking about then either, so I don't see how it will help.

Purgatory is a work. It is a work because if God could do that work in half the time to begin with, it would be done immediately. Prayer doesn't speed God up - He works in His own time.

Purgatory is a "work" because God never answers our prayers. That's what you just said. God can have no mercy on anyone, He will do what he wants on His own timeframe and never listens to the cries of His people for mercy. Especially when they ask for mercy not for themselves, but for others.

You're funny. Why do we bother to petition the Lord with prayer? Every day on FR there are threads where someone has cancer or is in the hospital and we pray that God will bring them quick relief. Is this pointless as well? According to your logic God will do as He wills. Our prayer can have no effect. God turns his ear away from us and refuses to hear our pleas.

Do the other Christians here agree that God can not be moved by our prayers?

SD

[SoothingDave]

"No one will get out until the last penny is paid."

Yeah, they have to pay. If they are paying it is work. Either way, it is unbiblical claptrap..

Trust you to miss a metaphor.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

. It is almost like trying to imagine what you would do tomorrow if you woke up and water flowed uphill.

I know, its like I felt after being in a church for 10 years that taught a works based faith.

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

. It is almost like trying to imagine what you would do tomorrow if you woke up and water flowed uphill.

I know, its like I felt after being in a church for 10 years that taught a works based faith.

Nah. You were supposed to say "the first thing I would do is close off the sewer pipes." :-)

SD

[ksen]

It is almost like trying to imagine what you would do tomorrow if you woke up and water flowed uphill.

I heard that there is a place like that in Canada. No joke.

-ksen

[SoothingDave]

I heard that there is a place like that in Canada. No joke.

Aha! We get to the bottom of it finally. And what religion are they? ;-)

(I'm sure it's just an "illusion" that it is flowing uphill.)

SD

[SoothingDave]

And what religion are they?

I'm glad you asked. The English speaking Candians are split amongst two denominations, the Molsonites and the Hockeitarians.

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

LOL, Dave you know I have always been told that people who ask questions and answer themselves are sick. What do they say about people who do that on the internet. Seems pretty bad to me:)

Becky

[SoothingDave]

As long as you agree with yourself it's OK. When you start having arguments amongst yourself is when there's a problem.

SD

[ksen]

The English speaking Candians are split amongst two denominations, the Molsonites and the Hockeitarians.

As usual you Catholics ignore the more fundamental Moostists.

;^)

-ksen