Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
LOL! I noticed that this is your first post today. I trust you have now 'recovered' from your 'celebration'?! ;o)
Becky
Or is there some other logical flaw?
The logical flaw comes in on the error created in lifting Mary up on a pedastal, making idols to her, etc. The error is in the midst of that, seeing the Catholic church say she gave birth to God and leave it hanging out there for people to abuse.
Say again? The logical flaw is that of emphasis? Saying that Mary is the "Mother of God" with a specific meaning can lead to abuse and confusion is true. But it DOES NOT make the statement false. The fact that Jesus died for our sins and we are "saved" when we ask for forgiveness can be miscontrued to mean that we are free to sin as much as we want, cause we wil be covered by Christ's sacrifice. Does the fact that an idea can be misunderstood make what is true, false?
I understand completely why it's done. Ya'll may not; but, ya'll are the willing dupes (scuse') that have to defend it because a bunch of Carnys in fish hats are more intent on their own purposes than on watching out for your souls.
Bite me.
If it looks good, do it. If it makes money do it. If it gives them power do it. What other reason is there other than just outright error? Because mariology does not in anyway line up with scripture.
What reason? Because it is true and scriptural. That you don't like the fact that it can be abused by some doesn't mean it isn't true or isn't Scriptural. Which part isn't true? Was Jesus not God or did Mary not give birth to Jesus?
Well?
SD
No. I was busy this morning. I'm having my house fenestrated. Now next Tuesday might be a different story...
SD
However, to answer your question, I think he did it because it was an effective way to teach what needed to be taught.
My son is almost four, and my daughter is 14 months. Last year my son went to a Lutheran preschool, and this year he is going to a Catholic preschool two half-days a week. We have been discussing whether or not to homeschool.
Oh, and almost forgot this. Trinity is shorthand as far as I'm concerned for Father God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is not a necessary term as the essentials of it are in the Bible and stand on their own. I'd just as soon reference the three of them than use the word unless I were writing it all out, which is the only time I bother with it. So, in short, it is not in the Bible, nor does it need to be. I'm not certain I really understand the point behind someone coming up with the term to be quite honest - I don't see that it is needed.
It has been pointed out already, but I just want to amplify. There is a very specific meaning of the Trinity that you have shown no idea of understanding. Trinity could just as easily mean three faces of one God, or Three Gods acting together. It means three persons in one divine nature. It means something today and it had meaning when the heretics were fought and the term defined. To sit here in the 21st Century and say "I don't see that point behind coming up with the idea" is, well, typical. Typical anti-historical and anti-intellectual, that is.
SD
Yes, I am. Isn't it fun when we agree on something? ;o)
Don't the Catholics beleive that they are the true Church and those in the Body of Christ who are not members aren't in communion with the Church?
If I'm not mistaken, the CC believes it is the one complete church. And just because the CC believes that those that are outside the church aren't in communion, it doesn't believe that they are not part of the body of Christ.
Made me go to google on that one. For the benefit of those who might think fenestration is some sort of sinister Catholic ritual:
Would you let anyone fenestrate your building? You do when you let your architect put openings in it. Fenestrations are usually window openings and, if your architect uses this word, he is eager to impress you. Don’t be. Anyone can do it. Windows, doors, glass and glazing are all covered in this division.
Becky
R U kiddin'? My knowledge of Scripture, my knowledge of the Lord, my knowledge of myself is still growing. I don't know how many times I've read a familiar verse or passage and ¡*BOOM* ! I'll suddenly understand something or notice something I'd never understood or noticed before. Lights come on all the time; and it's exciting when that happens! Like when I realized the connection between Romans 8:13 and Heb. 9:14. Perhaps something like a magic sternum or a preacher could've told me that---but that would've taken all the fun out of the discovery.
Again we see the Protestant individualism. I could have learned it from someone else in authority, but it wouldn't be as much fun. And we know that having rewarding personal feelings is the goal.
SD
Technically, this would be tritheism.
However, to answer your question, I think he did it because it was an effective way to teach what needed to be taught.
Exactly my point. Thanks, D.
But saying "I'm having new windows put in" sounds so pedestrian!
(Fun with vocab: Being "de-fenestrated" refers to being thrown out of a window.)
SD
While doctrine is important, living the doctrine is as important. As my mentor in seminary always fumed when discussing so-called "practical" theology, "Theology is BY NATURE practical." All that to say that if you have absolutely correct doctrine in your church, but no one believes it, it really doesn't matter what you believe.
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