Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
Ugh. Like Ted Turner needs to win anything. Isn't it hockey season now? How 'bout them Pens? Start off 0-4, fire the Czech coach who didn't even speak English and now they're on a 2-0 roll. Only 7 short months from now the playoffs start.
Or how 'bout them Steelers? Leading the AFC Central, they are. If they can beat the Bucs with their new "don't call me 'Slash,' but on the other hand don't let me throw the ball too much either" offense the NFL will sit up and take notice.
SD
You just added 2 jot's and still came up a tittle short.Lol
It's not philosophy or unfounded speculation to say that the reason Jesus didn't ask James or the others to take care of his mother was because none of them were believers, and John certainly was.
Why weren't any of them mentioned when he was on the cross, or at the sepulchre in the morning, but all the women were, isn't that odd if there were men there that they wouldn't have been mentioned first?
If the Bible say's that a man had 3 sons and 2 daughters, is it wrong then to say he had 5 children? It's simple logic, not speculation, or theology, it's simple math.
I do not feel it is wrong to stay with the word and fill in the spaces if they all fit and you don't have to bring it to a cherry red heat, and then pound it until it fits.
Which requires more speculation, the one that says that the reason Jesus chose John to care for his mother, was because he had no brothers to turn to even though scripture tells us he had at least 4 other brothers and at least 2 other sisters, which then to argue this, you have to go ten different directions which end up in never never land?...... or, speculate that the reason Jesus chose John was because he was Jesus true brother in faith and Christ knew and trusted him completely?
If it was you, and your mother was in need of being cared for, and you had non believing brothers who you didn't trust since they didn't believe in God, and you found out you had a month to live, who would you turn her over to, your brothers, or a fellow catholic friend you knew and loved and he also knew and loved your mother?
Does that mean that your knowledge of Scripture can continue to grow over time?
Glad you're here. As you can see, much of the "calculus" is simply taking two true statements and combining them in a logically true way. And yet folks want to assign mystical meaning to terms that just isn't there and are deathly afraid to say even that x+2=4 if we know x=2.
What are your thoughts? Do you choke on the concept of Theotokos, or "God-bearer"? Do you think Jesus is God? Do you think Mary gave birth to Jesus?
SD
Here are the "ten different directions" we have to go to believe that the Bible uses the words "brother" and "sister" to refer to larger sets of relatives than you think:
That's the way the Semitic languages work.
Maybe that wasn't ten different directions was it?
SD
Ditto.
SD
I didn't make that assumption. I merely stated that the heir has the right to subject care of a parent to another if he so chooses - which does not in any way negate the responsibility of the offspring any more than the care of an inhome nurse removes responsibility for care of parents by children today.
Furthermore, I'm not arguing of necessity that this is a matter of assigned responsibility. I'm arguing a possibility based on the notion proffered that it goes to that point. I see no indication that this was the aim of what was done. Ultimately, the other side is guessing and for every guess, a dozen responses are possible. In absence of evidence, their guessing doesn't amount to truth. That is a point that is a recurring theme. The constancy of Catholic claim is to take an 'if' or a 'maybe', herald it as truth and turn it into doctrine, then yell when someone questions it. LOL.
This deduction places an emphasis on Mary that is missing in Scripture. Yes, she was the most blest woman in being given the privilege to carry and give birth to the Son of God, but that is where Scripture ends in her importance. If God, through the human authors of Scripture, had ever referred to her as "the mother of God," it would be different, but to call her that when God does not, is to place an unintended emphasis upon her.
If he was just speaking of brethren, why did he include "mother" in this sentence? Angelo, read these verses again in context and honestly tell me you need to grab a Greek dictionary to grasp the meaning.
Steven, thank you for this, I wish I had used it to answer angelo and SD in my last post about why Jesus chose John over James.(consider it done)
This deduction places an emphasis on Mary that is missing in Scripture. Yes, she was the most blest woman in being given the privilege to carry and give birth to the Son of God, but that is where Scripture ends in her importance. If God, through the human authors of Scripture, had ever referred to her as "the mother of God," it would be different, but to call her that when God does not, is to place an unintended emphasis upon her.
So to declare the Truth is an insult to your god? Or do you dispute one of the supporting statements or can you find something wrong with the logic?
Or are you just afraid of using logic at all? Is this one of Becky's "things God gets mad at if we talk about"? All of you Protestants can chime in here.
And since it is found nowhere in Scripture I guess you flee from the term "Trinity" as well as an insult to your god.
SD
Their god apparently abhors the use of reason and forbids man to think.
Man can parrot the Words of Scripture, but can not draw conclusions, even the most basic, from them. It is verboten.
SD
What if they have removed themselves?
What if they are not financially able?
Since Jesus was our savior, didn't he have the right to do what ever he wanted to do, and felt that was best?
Since you don't believe in Christ as our savior, I guess you can't objectively answer this.
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