The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)

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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

How did your Ladies Devotional turn out?

I'm sorry I didn't respond back sooner, Mack told me you were asking, but I have been alittle under the weather, bad tooth, and a stomach virus on top of it.

The devotional went real well. The point was taken good, and they all wrote down the list of scripture I gave. Hopefully we'll all start working together and our church will grow.

Thanks for asking?:) For you to remember and ask is. IMO, the kind of concern we should all have for each other, it just makes everybody feel good:)

Becky

[SoothingDave]

Are you saying that guys like me and Old Reggie are becoming obsolete?? I am basically a hardware guy, having built, loaded, and configured well over 1000 computers in the last 4 years. I spent 5 years prior to that working solely in DOS. So, I have also learned a lot of neat little tricks for tweaking Win 95 and 98. Little things to do to the underlying DOS to get them to work nicer, with less crashes, and more stability. I've had younger guys tell me that that srtuff doesn't work, but I prove 'em wrong all the time....:o)

Well, since Win95 and 98 are just "happy faces" sitting on top of DOS, I don't doubt that.

If you learn the tricks and stuff to get Windows working well, there will always be a demand for such. I was just lamenting the fact that in the early 90s I could set up and know everything (pretty much) about getting a DOS/Win3.1 system running. I could do all that AND be an engineer AND provide help to the other folks in the company. Now knowing the tricks and stuff about Windows and networking is a full time job.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

No, the attitude of the English has traditionally been "deference" to authority. Although this is fading under the influence of and socialism, they still retain the forms. As regards "democracy," I do not "worship"it, even in the form that it appears in the United States. Let us not forget what has become of the Democratic Party in the United States, that in that party as in American elite circles it has now practically become identified with the Marxist critique of society and even the social democracy that we see everywhere enthroned in Europe.

I feel like King Agrippa or Festus or whoever it was that told the Apostle Paul "you much learning has made you mad". What in the H-E double hockey sticks you talkin' about?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

After reading this, I feel the need to ask each of you how prayer has helped you or a loved one. How did God reveal to you the answer to a prayer? Also, how many of these instances have you encountered?

Trying to catch up what I have missed the last few days, you guys have been busy.

I think prayer helps me keep things in perspective. I believe God is in control of everything, and when I go to him in prayer with a problem, the problem may not be solved the way I want, but ususally after praying about something I feel better about it, and things don't worry me so much.

When it's a prayer of thanksgiving, that helps keep the focus on the fact that God is always the one we should thank first for everything good.

Becky

[OLD REGGIE]

Wait a minute. The PC came out in 1981. I was born in 1968. For me to be five DOS would have had to have been deeloped in 1973. I think that's a little early.

This is an example of not checking ones' sources for accuracy. I "remembered" a few posts back that you gave your age. I also "remembered" the number 26. Of course it was someone else. I usually check myself but, not always.

If I recall, the first PC; 64kb memory, 6 mhz, one or two floppys, & BW monitor, nothing else, was first marketed in 1980. My company was one of the first to purchase the PC-XT, this wonderful machine added a 10MB hard disk at a total cost of $6,000. This was a tremendous bargain at that time. The development of this industry in 20 years is an example of what a free enterprise system is capable of.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Once again, I'm wondering if anyone is really paying any attention to these. I know that the one from the other day started of two days of Mary arguments. But the one from yesterday had a question that I posed to all of you that went unanswered. Oh, well ... I guess we're just choosing which battles we want to take on, eh?

Don't worry Al, I always read the first paragraph before it gets to the colored part. :-)

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I feel like King Agrippa or Festus or whoever it was that told the Apostle Paul "you much learning has made you mad". What in the H-E double hockey sticks you talkin' about?

Thats the type of thinking that comes right after a "nose hit" :)

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Ok Al. You asked for it. [img src="http://www.freerepublic.com/im ages/flags/usf34.gif"] YOu don't follow directions well, do you? ;o) That looks good except for two things. You need to us < and > instead of [ and ] Also, it's usf24.gif not 34

[and][img src="http://www.freerepublic.com/im ages/flags/usf24.gif "]

yikes.

[saradippity]

Thanks again,we agree on a lot with the exception of the strict dichotomy between "faith' vis a vis "works" based religions.Even on that issue some of the difference is probably the words we use and our understanding of those words.

Do you think Satan or the devil is incarnate in the world today,an evil spirit or both? The reason I ask is that I often hear people refer to the "spirit"without prefacing the word with Holy or ending it with 'of God' or "of Truth" and I wonder if it opens doors for "spirits uninvited",very unwittingly.

[SoothingDave]

Here

[Aquinasfan]

If Jesus was to assign Primacy this was the time.

Jesus assigns primacy to Peter when he says to Peter, "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Jesus' use of the term "keys" has a specific meaning. The vice-regent (or prime minister) of the King kept in his possession a pouch containing a symbolic key. The 'keeper of the keys' had full plenary authority in the King's abscence and was normally 'second in command' to the king.

This can be clearly seen in this passage from Isaiah, when King David transfers the keys from Shebna to Eliakim:

Isaiah 22

15 This is what the Lord, the LORD Almighty, says: "Go, say to this steward, to Shebna, who is in charge of the palace:

16 What are you doing here and who gave you permission to cut out a grave for yourself here, hewing your grave on the height and chiseling your resting place in the rock?

17 "Beware, the LORD is about to take firm hold of you and hurl you away, O you mighty man.

18 He will roll you up tightly like a ball and throw you into a large country. There you will die and there your splendid chariots will remain-- you disgrace to your master's house!

19 I will depose you from your office, and you will be ousted from your position.

20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah.

21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah.

22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will be a seat of honor for the house of his father.

The 'keeper of the keys' was also the chief 'cabinet officer,' which is shown somewhere in 1 Kings.

[SoothingDave]

When I was in college there was a guy who still had one of those dual floppy machines, but I think he had a color monitor, so it must have been a 2nd generation machine. He also had a blazing 300 baud modem so we could get into the campus network and check email.

The nice thing about the real IBM PC is that keyboard. Nowadays keyboards cost $15 dollars or less and reflect that. But that old IBM keyboard was not only made of sturdy plastic it had a base made out of steel. You could easily bludgeon someone with it and it would still work. It was an input device and a home protection device. :-)

SD

[OLD REGGIE]

Are you saying that guys like me and Old Reggie are becoming obsolete?? I am basically a hardware guy, having built, loaded, and configured well over 1000 computers in the last 4 years. I spent 5 years prior to that working solely in DOS. So, I have also learned a lot of neat little tricks for tweaking Win 95 and 98. Little things to do to the underlying DOS to get them to work nicer, with less crashes, and more stability. I've had younger guys tell me that that srtuff doesn't work, but I prove 'em wrong all the time....:o)

I am obsolete. I retired in 1992 and no longer do any support work for anyone. (Well, once in a while I'll help one of my children, I even helped my ex-wife once, but for all others I know nothing!)

Microsoft really is abondoning DOS. It will probably dissapear in a few years. Time for Linnux or any stable Operating System????

[al_c]

Thanks for the toughtful reply, Becky.

I knew I could count on one from you. :o)

[al_c]

Don't worry Al, I always read the first paragraph before it gets to the colored part. :-)

Well, then ... just for you I'll start every post with a question. That way you won't miss it. ;o)

[SoothingDave]

No, the attitude of the English has traditionally been "deference" to authority. Although this is fading under the influence of and socialism, they still retain the forms. As regards "democracy," I do not "worship"it, even in the form that it appears in the United States. Let us not forget what has become of the Democratic Party in the United States, that in that party as in American elite circles it has now practically become identified with the Marxist critique of society and even the social democracy that we see everywhere enthroned in Europe.

I feel like King Agrippa or Festus or whoever it was that told the Apostle Paul "you much learning has made you mad". What in the H-E double hockey sticks you talkin' about?

Since this statement is causing so much confusion let's look at it. It seems to me that Robby is saying that democracy is not a cure all or perfection. He is saying that democracy, like our modern Democrat party, or the Social Democracies of Europe tend to eventually grow themselves into organized socialism, often at the expense of freedom and other worthwhile ideals.

No society can last very long as a pure democracy, there always need to be gatekeepers, some type of elite that looks out for the common man. The founders of this nation surely didn't intend for ignorant masses to be bussed to precincts to vote for leaders. No, the idea was that the landed gentry, the aristocracy would, as they always have, look out for the interests of all.

Granted there have been benefits to increasing the franchise, but there have also been drawbacks. The universal type we have now, the "motor voter" the MTV "get out the vote" etc is not doing this country any good. Even newspapers that should know better cheerlead for ignorant people to vote. If anything, the ignorant should be discuraged from voting.

In any event, democracy is the best thing we have come up with, like capitalism is, but unfettered versions can be disasterous. SD

[al_c]

[and][img src="http://www.freerepublic.com/im ages/flags/usf24.gif "]

yikes.

I'm glad you changed your name. The new one fits you well.

;o)

[al_c]

yikes.

You obviously know how to code paragraphs, italics and bolds ... I've seen you do it. Same thing applies here ... use < > NOT [ ]

Got it?

[Romulus]

St. Nicholas Day greetings.

"As rule of faith, and picture of gentleness, and teacher of temperance,
you were shown to your flock, by the truth of the evidence;
thus you achieved the lofty through humility, the abundant through poverty.
O Father and Hierarch Nicholas, intercede with Christ our God, that our souls may be saved.
(Tone 4)"

- Apolytikion of Saint Nicholas

[ksen]

Thanks again,we agree on a lot with the exception of the strict dichotomy between "faith' vis a vis "works" based religions.Even on that issue some of the difference is probably the words we use and our understanding of those words.

I agree.

Do you think Satan or the devil is incarnate in the world today,an evil spirit or both? The reason I ask is that I often hear people refer to the "spirit"without prefacing the word with Holy or ending it with 'of God' or "of Truth" and I wonder if it opens doors for "spirits uninvited",very unwittingly.

I do not think Satan is present in the flesh. My reading of the Scriptures would indicate that Satan is the most powerful angel that God created, more powerful than Michael. So I would say that he is definitely a spiritual being.

According to my Dispensationalist Eschatological viewpoint Satan will sometime in the future try to counterfeit the incarnation of Christ. The result will be the Anti-Christ, or Beast, of Revelation. How he will accomplish this, I don’t know. I think, this is conjecture on my part, that he will personally come to inhabit the man who will be revealed as the Beast.

As far as referring to the Holy Spirit as “spirit” with no qualifier leaving someone open to “uninvited spirits”, I think the worst that can do is confuse someone that you are speaking to, that is why I try to always capitalize the word “Spirit” whenever I am referring to the Holy Spirit. I don’t believe that a Christian, someone indwelt by the Spirit of Christ, can be “possessed”, if that is what you were talking about. A Christian can be oppressed, but not possessed.

-ksen