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Krauthammer: The Enemy Is Not Islam. It Is Nihilism
The Weekly Standard ^ | 10/22/2001 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 10/14/2001 9:30:12 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: StoneColdGOP; dubyaismypresident; rockchalkjayhawk; 2Jedismom; beowolf; TheOtherOne; dennisw...
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21 posted on 10/14/2001 11:05:26 PM PDT by Cool Guy
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To: Lent
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22 posted on 10/14/2001 11:07:23 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Travis McGee
The problem is the insane death cult called radical islam.

Krauthammer nails it here::

In its nihilism, its will to power, its celebration of blood and death, its craving for the cleansing purity that comes only from eradicating life and culture, radical Islam is heir, above all, to Nazism.

This article lays it all out.

23 posted on 10/14/2001 11:07:53 PM PDT by quimby
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To: abwehr
Here we have Bush, engaging in a rather meaningless fight over Afghanistan ( Norway) as he tries to avoid the all out conflict that looms on the horizon.

The longest journey begins with one step.

24 posted on 10/14/2001 11:10:58 PM PDT by quimby
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To: StockAyatollah
They simply want to destroy us. Therefore we must destroy them first.

I think you are exactly right. It really does boil down to this simple statement. My question is, does the rest of America see it that way? Joe six pack might, the media no, the intelligentia maybe. America as a whole? I wish I knew for sure.

If the Anthrax BS gets linked back to Irag, it will be fascinating to see the answer develop.

25 posted on 10/14/2001 11:16:58 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: abwehr; FITZ; Manny Festo; Lent; patent; dennisw; Sabertooth; harpseal
Without a doubt, we are standing on the edge of an unimaginable few years.

There are so many variables, (China etc) that predictions aren't worth much, but I think that OBL will get his holy war between Islam and the West.

More terrorism in the USA will lead to US strikes beyond Afganistan. ("The Bush Doctrine.")

The brainwashed zombie moslems from the Philippines to Nigeria are going to go berzerk, killing every Westerner they can get their hands on, Algerian style.

Major Western rescue operations will be mounted to save besieged Western enclaves, this will be seen as "crusaders invading the Islamic world".

At some point the oil gets cut off, as regimes topple and new anti Western "Ayatollahs" come to power.

More terrorism in the West will belatedly lead to internment and deportation of Moslems, beginning with non-citizens, and working outward to recently naturalized citizens, as the terrorism continues.

In a few years we will arrive at a total defacto split between the West and Islam. No trade, no travel, no jets, no ships.

This will lead to an economic depression in the West as we absorb an oil shock worse than 73-74. But we will work out of it as we replace supplies: the market will work, oil is just another fungible commodity in the end.

In the Islamic nations the economic split will lead to starvation, civil war, disease, and anarchy, with many Islamic capitols resembling Mogadishu or Kabul as warlord chieftans battle for the rubble. Only this time, no Western food or medical aid will be forthcoming.

A few Islamic nations may come out of their civil wars with a local "Attaturk" in charge who will crush the Islamists and enforce strictly secular states. They will be able to rejoin the civilized world.

Of course, it could veer into unexpected directions, then all bets are off. (Chinese invasions of Taiwan, Malaysia, Philippines etc. in response to Chinese economic depression for one example.)

26 posted on 10/14/2001 11:19:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: madrussian
Escalating the war to include all the favorite Israel's enemies is what Israel's war is. America is in the war of retaliation.

A good point, and not to be ignored.

But keep in mind, most of these enemies of Isreal have no love for us, and will become our enemies if not dealt with. Whether or not this was just Isreal's war to begin with, it's ours now as well. Has been since 91101.

27 posted on 10/14/2001 11:24:06 PM PDT by cold_vicious_logic
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To: Pokey78
It might not be nihilism in the strict sense. These people have a method to their religious madness, with definite goals and beliefs. This means it may be possible at least in principle to short circuit them. I fear, however, that America is too peecee to do things like killing terrorists with larded bullets and burying them in pigskins, which worked for the British decades ago. But again, maybe these new Muslims don't really care (they didn't seem to care about carousing in bars before they hijacked our planes).
28 posted on 10/14/2001 11:27:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Travis McGee
If anything serious gets between the USA and its oil supply, it will be like a mother bear separated from her cubs. We would probably bomb Baghdad and its ilk out of existence rather than suffer that.
29 posted on 10/14/2001 11:32:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Travis McGee
Of course, it could veer into unexpected directions, then all bets are off. (Chinese invasions of Taiwan, Malaysia, Philippines etc. in response to Chinese economic depression for one example.)

It would seem that china would prefer their confrontation with us would be somewhere in the future. But sooner or later.

30 posted on 10/14/2001 11:34:44 PM PDT by quimby
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To: Travis McGee
Gee whillikers. You are such a BUMMER. You need veykeyshun. 8^O
31 posted on 10/14/2001 11:37:30 PM PDT by mercy
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If anything serious gets between the USA and its oil supply, it will be like a mother bear separated from her cubs. We would probably bomb Baghdad and its ilk out of existence rather than suffer that.

And what if they (Al qaeda) blow up the oil fields? As Rumsfeld said, this is a war unlike previous wars.

32 posted on 10/14/2001 11:38:06 PM PDT by quimby
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To: Pokey78
Goebbels would have marvelled at the recruitment tape for al Qaeda, a two-hour orgy of blood and death: image after image of brutalized Muslims shown in various poses of victimization, followed by glorious images of desecration of the infidel--mutilated American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of the USS Cole, mangled bodies at the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Throughout, the soundtrack endlessly repeats the refrain "with blood, with blood, with blood."

WHAT! No scenes from Chechnya where they slice the heads off captured Russian soldiers. This is favorite Jihadist video footage and can be purchased from the right people. Krauthammer is right about the blood blood blood part.

33 posted on 10/14/2001 11:38:47 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: mercy
Hey, that's my best case scenario! (Except the part about China.)
34 posted on 10/14/2001 11:52:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: quimby
And what if they (Al qaeda) blow up the oil fields?

There are others.

35 posted on 10/15/2001 12:06:49 AM PDT by cold_vicious_logic
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To: mercy; Travis McGee
Gee whillikers. You are such a BUMMER. You need veykeyshun. 8^O

He's being optimistic.  The middle east will come out
radioactive.

36 posted on 10/15/2001 12:09:47 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: quimby
They can't "blow up" the underground oil.
37 posted on 10/15/2001 12:13:57 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: jlogajan
He's wrong, of course. It might look like Nihilism, but it really is Islam.

He is right. It is nihilism, with an Islamic Justification. They really do want to return to the "pure" life of the dark ages. The Arabic countries were ahead of the west in the sciences and Art, until the scourge of Islam laid waste to their civilizations. They have never recovered. Every country they take over slides into the pit of the dark ages with feudal warlords, slavery, polygamy and abject poverty. Any schooling beyond the third grade is squelched for the "higher learning" of the Koran. They fear any higher schooling because it causes the people to question the rule of the religious leaders. Europe came out of the dark ages with the separation of Church and State to remove the scepter of God from the hands of men. America improved on that by founding a Godly nation with the scepter of God in the hands of the people.

That by the way is no longer true for the State has adopted the religion of Atheism with the invention of humanism as God. That caused the people who held the scepter to believe They were god. Big mistake. In our pride we slept while the State stole the scepter back from our hands. The recent reinterpretation of the law that the State shall not infringe the rights of worship of the people to “Separation of Church and State” has allowed the scepter of “god” back into the hands of the State. Now the State makes laws on the rights of worship on a group by group basis. America is no longer free, and has fallen quite far into the pit of the dark ages in the last generation. We are dumbing down our schools for the very same reasons that the Islamic Clerics did. We just have Humanist Clerics like Hildabeast “it takes a village” instead of Islamic ones. We no longer have the moral vision to stand up to Islam, so Islam has risen again. It was the Christian’s who defeated Islam last time. Who has the vision to do it now? I am sure Hildabeast will hold hands with them and sing Kumbyia, Just like Bush is doing.

38 posted on 10/15/2001 12:15:08 AM PDT by American in Israel
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To: gcruse
For true. So might bits of the USA.

(Do you think they will still go on pigrimages to a big radioactive crater?)

39 posted on 10/15/2001 12:15:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: American in Israel
WOW. That was good. Mind if I rummage around in your bookmarks? {%*>
40 posted on 10/15/2001 12:20:51 AM PDT by mercy
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