Two Men Arrested Near Folsom Dam, (20 miles of Sacramento, Ca.)

KCRA TV, Sacramento, Ca ^ | 11 Oct 2001, update 12 Oct 2001 | KCRA Staff

[Grampa Dave]

Two Men Arrested Near Folsom Dam, FBI Has Been Notified Posted: 10:40 p.m. PDT October 11, 2001

FOLSOM, Calif. -- The FBI has been notified of the arrests of two men at Folsom Dam.

The men were arrested about 11 p.m. Wednesday night after they were spotted in a restricted area near the Dam.

Both men were placed in the Sacramento County jail.

It's believed that the men were illegally trying to gain access to a fishing location, but officials say that they are taking no chances in this climate of heightened security

[Grampa Dave]

B4 posted, "You have explained why I quit fishing in California decades ago. I don't carry enough ammunition to kill all this garbage."

Actually some of the scariest garbage I have seen fishing has been the white trash in some remote areas. When I got back into fly fishing planned to go into remote areas to trout fish or steelhead fish. My oldest son told me to take pepper spray and my 357 with me both in Cali and Oregone!

I didn't do it one time. Now both go with me! These scumbags are the same psychos on our streets in our cities, except they are back in the forests where there is no law enforcement. This makes them more dangerous. Then the most dangerous are the PETA thugs, that you can run into!

[Grampa Dave]

Keep us posted if anything new comes up!

With Fish & Game carrying m14's, you might not want to be caught at night fishing in or around a dam. I will wear my fishing license on top of my hat so they can see it! Now is not the time to add any extra stress to their work loads!

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Hi former N CA escapee. I too lived nesr Folsom for 17 years. I do not think in normal times this would be considered unusual, but today? I don't think poisoning Folson Lake would be thier objective, it would take too much poison but blowing that dam would reap havoc on all those towns below the dam and Sac. Sac is a flood area and before the dikes were built flooded badly yearly. Folsom Prison is just below the dam. It would get wiped out for sure. No big loss, but what a catastrophy!!

[wingnuts'nbolts]

Hi former N CA escapee. I too lived nesr Folsom for 17 years. I do not think in normal times this would be considered unusual, but today? I don't think poisoning Folson Lake would be thier objective, it would take too much poison but blowing that dam would reap havoc on all those towns below the dam and Sac. Folsom Prison is just below the dam. It would get wiped out for sure. No big loss, but what a catastrophy!!

[KansasConservative1]

In a follow up report, Mohammad Raffa and Izzear Achmed both claim to be fisherman just "trying to catch a fish". When confronted about lack of equipment, the noted "Oops, we seemed to have left it back at the hotel." The baseless arrests are being investigated by the ACLU as possible racial profiling by the white sergent.

[Pete]

I haven't heard anything else from Miami. Could have been just another white powder scare. I will post any updates if warranted.

[Trident/Delta]

Nice Try. Take a look at the lethality levels of "pure" nicotine in terms a PPM in water base.. then open yer "cake hole" again...

Semper Fi

[scottiewottie]

Must have been ethnic minority fishermen. We are a one paper town now and The Bee will not disclose any personal information of crimminal activity of minorities unless it is essential to the story. Not a word about it was placed in The Bee.

[LUVYA DUBYA 2000]

"Let's say you're a mullah, and you have a number of members in your congregation who are not committed enough to do actual sabotage. So you send them off to go to various locations and act suspicious. They get arrested and let go. If you're lucky, they get hassled enough in the process to radicalize them. Meanwhile, you wear out law enforcement with false alarms so that when the real thing comes, they'll be slower to respond."

You are exactly right!

[flamefront]

Thanks for putting an end to the "truckloads required" propaganda from the government mouthpieces.

[Trident/Delta]

Can't really blame them. They are trying to stem a panic. As a cop, I can appreciate that, but, a totally STUPID statement is not the way to do it.

Semper Fi

[pompelmous]

They will not prosecute in Minnesota either. A Hmoung was caught with 300 trout in his trunk and fined only $50. Licenses are not checked nor are limits.

[Grampa Dave]

You posted, "They will not prosecute in Minnesota either. A Hmoung was caught with 300 trout in his trunk and fined only $50. Licenses are not checked nor are limits!"

The CIA/state department orders were to all states's Fish and Game not to check nor prosecute the Hmoung or as they are called here, Mung!

There was a large clan which lived in the Stockton area. They got the nick name Snow Kings (how I don't know). They would go into a national forest and illegally camp with armed guards (ak47's). Then each day they would hunt and scavage in larger circles around their camps. Any poor critter that flew, swam, hopped, grazed, climbed trees or slithererd was killed. Each day the circle got bigger and the kill area increased. Then they would load up the meat, leave all of their garbage and go home. Each circle was like a critter no zone area!

No body did a damn thing. The authorities just turned their heads. In the Sacramento School system the young boys are terrorists!

[Khurkris]

ammonia-phosphate

[been_lurking]

I remember fishing that lake from the back of my pick-up one weekend. I had "a few" too many lines in the water when I see a warden patrol boat come motoring around the bend towrds me. Orlando and Rowan would have been jealous at how fast I was crankin' in those lines.

Well the warden makes a bee-line right for me and I figured I was busted. When he drifts up to shore and bumps the bank, he asks me if I have a set of jumper cables he could borrow to jump a dead boat. I loaned him the set in my truck and told him if he needed any more I'd sit right there on may tailgate and make them for him. :)

[sasquatch]

ammonia-phosphate

Sounds slick.

[Phil V.]

It wuz my uncl Elwin an' Jethro.

Shoot! They wuz just gonna go after a few cats.

Th' bastards took there booze too

I told 'em both thed better shave there beerds off cuz both lookt like AArabs desgized as hillbillies.

Shoot!

[Grampa Dave]

So your family will have a no fish Friday unless you go to the fish market at Luckys!

[Carry_Okie]

How about ricine?

[Carry_Okie]

I just tried doing the calcs myself for ricin, which has a lethal dose of approximately 60 migrograms for a 160# adult male (about 10 times more toxic than nicotine). I am no toxicologist (and my chemistry is way rusty) so bear with me...

Let's assume a lethal dose of that toxin diluted into approximately 1 liter of water to be consumed by each victim. A smaller water volume would require more poison, so it would seem that this is a good worst case.

Let's also assume a small local storage and distribution reservoir of approximately 50,000 acre feet (Oroville is 2 million).

Assume a specific gravity of 1 for ricin.

(50,000 acre ft/reservior)(44,100 cft/acre ft)(6.8 gal/cft)(4 liters/gal)[(60x10e-6 gm ricin/dose)/(1000gm/dose)]= 3,500 liters ricin/reservior (to two sigfigs)

That seems to be a lot of ricin, about 4 tons. It would take ten times as much nicotine.

Once it was delivered it would then have to be dispersed evenly throughout the reservoir and would be subject to various degradative forces. As I said, I am n expert. Do you find an error in this?