VERY IMPORTANT STUDY - Sexual Transmission During the Incubation Period of Primary HIV Infection

JAMA ^ | 10-10-01 | Christopher D. Pilcher, MDJoseph J. Eron, Jr, MDDepartment of MedicineUniversity of North Caro

[Neuromancer]

This information is a bit technical, but crucial to our understanding of HIV transmission. The period of early infection (when a carrier is unaware of having seroconverted to HIV+) happens to be the period where he/she is a walking biohazard.

[fone]

There is a solution: Monogamy.

[Texaggie79]

I guess being unattractive DOES has it's perks! Yeah ME!

[martian_22]

From the beginning, HIV and AIDS should have been treated like medical problems instead of political problems.

It'll be a heck of a clean-up.

[Neuromancer]

Yes, yes, yes....

Normal contact tracing and screening would have stopped it in it's early stages. But due to the political power of the homosexual lobby we are left with this horror.

[InterceptPoint]

This hypothesis would in part explain rapid epidemic spread in populations

That is a very interesting comment since it is well known that AIDS does not spread like any epidemic that we have ever seen. Epidemics are rapid rise to a peak and then a fall. AIDS does not have any of the features of an epidemic and it is not an epidemic, it is simply a destruction of the immune system due to avoidable life style choices like doing drugs and getting yourself infected continuously by every virus and bacterial infection known to man by having unprotected anal sex with people who are infected with every virus and bacterial infection known to man. In Africa it is primarily tuberculosis and other diseases that have wasted those poor people for ever.

This isn't rocket science. It isn't even science. If I understand this article, the author is saying that if you have an HIV cold you are more contagious then after the HIV cold is gone. Wow. That is a biggie.

[Neuromancer]

I believe the point of the study is to add further proof that the period of time after an initial infection with HIV is the point where a person is sluffing off vast quantities of the virus. Thus making them highly infectious to others.

There are a few people who do not believe that the HIV virus causes AIDS - some even spam every HIV related thread on FR - I never know what to say to them...

As to your point about this epidemic not reaching a peak - this horror that has been visited upon us is killing at an ever increasing rate in more and more countries. It will reach a peak - but that is going to be a very sad day.

[jeremiah]

Spot on.

[lmr]

Good thing I have one lifetime partner and her only lifetime partner is me. AIDS discussions aren't very scary to some of us.

[Don Myers]

bttt

[Bill Rice]

I saw the part about genital shedding, and I thought this article was about Osama or Mullah Omar.

[Hammerhead]

Uh,...........guess I'll be cancelling that membership to the Adult Friend Finder Network.

[oioiman]

I highly advise anyone who hasn't already to read "Inventing The AIDS Virus" by Dr. Peter Duesberg, one of the discoverers of retro-viruses (RNA to DNA).

Duesberg.com

Since 1991 I have followed the Virology Battles with great interest and have become an utter and complete skeptic.

[stylin19a]

There has already been a study done that suggested that transmission of HIV is more likely to occur from a person who also has genital ulcers. That study supported the hypothesis that persons who have HIV and genital herpes may transmit HIV infection to others more easily than those who are not HSV-2 infected.

two transmitters in the above cases had genital herpes, which would seem to bias the control.

[Tall_Texan]

What I always found suspicious was that, as a college student in the 70s, I was told that a condom was only 88% effective in preventing pregnancy. That's before they became the politically correct silver bullet of the homosexual AIDS lobby in the 80s.

Couple this with the knowledge that the human male sperm is of much greater size than the viral agent that can spread the HIV infection, and you'd have to believe the effectiveness rate of a condom against spreading HIV would be no better than 75% and perhaps not even that.

Who would consent to sex with an infected person if they knew there was a one-in-four chance of catching the infection, even from a "one-night-stand"?

Yet to hear everyone from C. Everett Kook to Joycelyn Elders to the new guy Bush won't fire because he's black, the Surgeon General says "use a condom and you're safe". Perhaps we should remember this as they advise us on the threat of other deadly viruses.

[Neuromancer]

Your point is well taken.

[fone]

you got that right. hubby and I were tested some years back for a life insurance policy.
I wanted to get a t-shirt that said "HIV free in 1993"...=)

[InterceptPoint]

highly advise anyone who hasn't already to read "Inventing The AIDS Virus" by Dr. Peter Duesberg, one of the discoverers of retro-viruses (RNA to DNA).

Me too. I have taken the same track as you exactly.

I don't believe that can you read that book and still believe that HIV is the cause of AIDS. AIDS is real. HIV is just another virus.

[InterceptPoint]

I believe the point of the study is to add further proof that the period of time after an initial infection with HIV is the point where a person is sluffing off vast quantities of the virus. Thus making them highly infectious to others.

Yes that is the point of the study but that is true of all viruses. The problem with all of the studies of HIV is that they are based on the false assumption that HIV is the cause of AIDS. This is the false postulate of the whole AIDS industry and it has never been and never will be proven because it just isn't so. I will offer again as I have so many times to read anything offered up that is contrary to this position. Where is the scientific article that shows that HIV causes AIDS? Who wrote it and when did they write it?

Please don't read a lack of sympathy for AIDS victims in what I write here. I happen to believe very deeply that AIDS victims are being lied to about the cause of their illness. You can't get well if the doctor is giving you bad advice and right now they are getting very bad advice. I just do my little bit to help reverse that.

And it is not spam.