**BREAKING--3rd CASE OF ANTHRAX CONFIRMED!!!!!!!

[newsperson999]

now a criminal investagation...

[_Jim]

Bottom line...if you have anthrax found in your nose, you are, for all intents and purposes, dead man walking without treatment.

Bzzzzzzt! Wrong!

A 'human' can actually 'tolerate' 8,000 to 10,000 spores in his system - BEFORE his system is overtaken (overwhelmed) by Anthrax that is ...

See post #77 (per TomB) ...

[ALOHA RONNIE]

...CNBC now reporting that this strain of ANTHRAX was stolen from ~CLINTON's~ Dept. of Agriculture Iowa Labs...

...just like our Suitcase Nuclear Technology was stolen from our Los Alamos Labs during the Los Alamos Fires sanctioned by CLINTON's Dept of Energy Secretary BILL RICHARDSON.

...The Stealth Wrath of the CLINTONS-3 runs silent ..runs deep...?

[Germanflower]

I believe that all media is infected with Anthrax. Every newspaper-don't touch them! Every keyboard-don't communicate electronically. Every radio broadcast may potentially leave you with an inner ear immune deficiency so do not listen. Turn off the television, because the news only gives information to terrorists. Every source of public information could potentially be harmful. Your own neighbor could be harboring deadly spores. Wear the flag and shut up!

[Germanflower]

I believe that all media is infected with Anthrax. Every newspaper-don't touch them! Every keyboard-don't communicate electronically. Every radio broadcast may potentially leave you with an inner ear immune deficiency so do not listen. Turn off the television, because the news only gives information to terrorists. Every source of public information could potentially be harmful. Your own neighbor could be harboring deadly spores. Wear the flag and shut up!

[Endeavor]

It's no wonder folks are confused. Whorealdo just showed a clip of the latest news conference and the dufus doing the talking called it a "virus" multiple times the switched to "bacteria" (it wasn't the FL health dr., it was someone else). The really scary part of this are the idiots giving out the information.

[FITZ]

The person was found to be EXPOSED to anthrax, she does not have the disease.

Actually being exposed to anthrax is cause for concern because the spores weren't exactly everywhere before last month. It wasn't common to even have been exposed before.

[_Jim]

You're welcome and (re: prozac) you're right (in that order) ...

[Clinton's a rapist]

The title of this thread is close enough, certainly much less misleading than the official line for the past week. Perhaps the exclamation points wouldn't have been necessary to grab our attention if there hadn't be a sustained barrage of pea-brained pollyannas on this forum pooh-poohing the possibility of an anthrax attack for the last week, in the face of overwhelming circumstantial evidence to the contrary.

[ChemistCat]

This is so weird. Half of the population of this country has promiscuous and unprotected sex, leaves public bathrooms without washing hands, drives intoxicated, eats food that averages 30-40% pure fat, runs red lights while not wearing seatbelts or on motorcycles sans helmets, smokes, and votes for Democrats...and I'll bet it's almost the same half each time....

And now three cases of anthrax are causing a national panic despite the fact that Tim McVeigh and 19 Arab guys proved there are cheaper and easier ways to get attention. If the terrorists tried to spread anthrax far and wide, they failed or we'd see a lot more of this by now.

They are predicting one heck of a flu season this winter, and we KNOW that flu can indeed be deadly and we KNOW how it spreads, but we keep going to work sick ("What a great employee, 103 fever but he's here at his desk shaking customer's hands") and we congregate en masse to shop right when flu season is kicking into high gear. More than that, we do not emphasize hand washing. There are no magic viruses or bacteria. They all spread to a human by A)air and flying insects, B)close contact (hand to mouth), C)water and food, D)VERY close contact (STDs.) THe first case we can't do a heckofalot about--spraying mosquitos, that's about it. The second is the way flu and colds usually spread and they're best defeated with soap, water, and ISOLATION!!!! Food and water are safer than they've EVER BEEN so we're curiously schizoid--the inevitable sanitation failures that result in food poisoning get an awful lot of attention, while the vulnerability to sabotage is generally neglected, until lately. The last case--well we know, as long as HIV+ people cannot be identified by other promiscuous or needle-sharing people, and sex outside marriage is the NORM, we will have those with us.

People who go to work sick are really like people who have sex without telling their partners they are HIV positive. They are deliberately spreading something that can kill the immune-deficient, young, old, and weak. A real flu virus can knock down vast numbers of the healthy, and there's NOTHING DOCTORS CAN DO ABOUT IT. We haven't been hit with a very dangerous flu virus in about a hundred years. I am not betting against this year being The Year. And really, if a few rather easy behavioral changes can help confine any outbreaks, isn't it worth doing? Wash hands, tell your bosses you don't want to work with sick people, stay home when sick yourself, and keep sick kids home.

These changes in behavior that I am advocating are not difficult. They aren't 100% guarantees of continued good health of course, but they will help no matter the origin of the biological threat--natural or terrorist.

[ezoeni4]

To: Jolly Rodgers You've been a member for all of seven whole days Hmmm ... maybe that's under his/her/it's current name ... whatever dork candy boy

[Semper911]

Endeavor, LeaveSungirl alone. She lives right next to the AM Media bldg in FLA. I would have my panties in a twist if I lived there too.

Sungirl, you get tested yet?

[Terrorista Nada]

is there an article or a link?

[TomB]

The title of this thread is close enough, certainly much less misleading than the official line for the past week.

Does the fact that there are NOT three cases of anthax confirmed bother you at all?????????????

[Iwo Jima]

If you are the victim, it is certainly a relief to find out that your exposure to anthrax did not lead to an infection. But there is really no big difference to the rest of us and not really to the victim, once he gets over the initial wave of relief.

Anthrax exposures such as we have recently seen mean that the bad guys have a usable stock of anthrax and are attempting to spread it. We all need to know where, how, and when each exposure occurred. We cannot take the position that we will only act once a significant number of people die.

If you were the victim of anthrax exposure, would you blithely go about your business and not demand knowing just where you were exposed and how? Would you just take a chance that next time the number of spores you inhaled wouldn't be enough to kill you? Would you just take a chance your exposure hadn't occurred in a way that could also expose your children to anthrax? Just how clueless and passive would you have to be not to consider "mere" esposure as an emergency?

Given the current (low) state of preparedness, the first person to be exposed to inhalation anthrax has to be looked upon as the "canary in the coal mine." Everyone has to treat the exposure as the emergency warning that it is, and act accordingly. Every person, place, or thing with which the victim has come in contact must be immediately and thoroughly investigated, inspected, examined, and treated.

It may turn out that the canary died of old age, but more likely it died of a cause which will kill more people if a "wait and see" attitude is followed.

[K7TNW]

"Cite, please? Remember, it's the Pollyannas who told us that this was nothing -- despite the amazing temporal and spatial coincidences involved -- who've been proven wrong. Haven't seen anyone here apologizing for being a Pollyanna yet. "

Sorry, I don't memorize junk mail sources. Suffice to say I have seen paniced posts on THIS forum, and some real doozies on rec.outdoors.rv-travel. Yes, this subject is being discussed everywhere. And r.o.r-t members are as informed as Freepers.

That said, I am anything but a polyanna. I am a scientist and attorney. I demand facts and scientific evidence. I believe the evidence shows OBL to be the guilty party! I do not believe OJ was proven guilty. I am sure in my heart that he is, but the prosecution was terrible, IMHO. I also believe clinton IS a rapist!

All I ask is that we don't use skepticism to invalidate all news without further information (facts). Can you show ANY factual evidence that an anthrax epidemic is occuring?

[Jesse]

The clumping of spores is important, but there is no way to quantitate how many spores one inhales based on the presence or absence of spores in the nostril. Undoubtedly, had the Ruskies looked, they would have probably found lots of people with anthrax spores or bacteria in the nose after their accident, and probably many if not most would not have come down with anthrax having inhaled on average a less than lethal spore burgden. But no way to tell who without not treating everyone and just watching.

BTW, Scott Ritter said yesterday on Fox that the spores they found on the keyboard were clumped and bigger than the optimum 5 micron minimum, therefore this indicated a non weaponized anthrax strain. Doesn't follow...we have no idea how long those spores were there, and they were exposed to oils from the hands on the keyboard, light etc. This environmental degradation could have caused clumping of the spores. We don't know what condition spores were in initially. What they look like now is irrelevent.

Someone told me that they typed the strain to a lab type from Iowa. May or may not be true, and even if it is, the strain could have started in Iowa but been tinkered with overseas. They did say the strain was sensitive to Penicillin, but did not give the Minimum Bacteriacidal Concentration(MBC) so that data may be misleading. If it is sensitive to Penicillin, it is not as likely to have come from a Soviet Bioweapons Program.

According to what I have read by Ken Abilek, a Russian Biowarrior defector, all of their mass produced anthrax strains for weapons were engineered to be resistant to Penicillin and Tetracycline. I have seen nowhere that they have said the strain is actually sensitive to Cipro, but I guess it is, since that's what they are giving.

[FITZ]

A 'human' can actually 'tolerate' 8,000 to 10,000 spores in his system - BEFORE his system is overtaken (overwhelmed) by Anthrax that is ...

I'm okay with anthrax being in my nose but I don't want it in my lungs. I might even get the cutaneous kind on purpose if anthrax gets common enough around here just so I'll have antibodies in my system against it.

[Jesse]

The clumping of spores is important, but there is no way to quantitate how many spores one inhales based on the presence or absence of spores in the nostril. Undoubtedly, had the Ruskies looked, they would have probably found lots of people with anthrax spores or bacteria in the nose after their accident, and probably many if not most would not have come down with anthrax having inhaled on average a less than lethal spore burden. But no way to tell who without not treating everyone and just watching.

BTW, Scott Ritter said yesterday on Fox that the spores they found on the keyboard were clumped and bigger than the optimum 5 micron minimum, therefore this indicated a non weaponized anthrax strain. Doesn't follow...we have no idea how long those spores were there, and they were exposed to oils from the hands on the keyboard, light etc. This environmental degradation could have caused clumping of the spores. We don't know what condition spores were in initially. What they look like now is irrelevent.

Someone told me that they typed the strain to a lab type from Iowa. May or may not be true, and even if it is, the strain could have started in Iowa but been tinkered with overseas. They did say the strain was sensitive to Penicillin, but did not give the Minimum Bacteriacidal Concentration(MBC) so that data may be misleading. If it is sensitive to Penicillin, it is not as likely to have come from a Soviet Bioweapons Program.

According to what I have read by Ken Abilek, a Russian Biowarrior defector, all of their mass produced anthrax strains for weapons were engineered to be resistant to Penicillin and Tetracycline. I have seen nowhere that they have said the strain is actually sensitive to Cipro, but I guess it is, since that's what they are giving.

[Jolly Rodgers]

yes thats true bit I have been here for a few years

Then you've been here long enough to know how that kind of comment will be received.

[TomB]

Great post!

As an aside, I wonder if anybody has been killed yet in an auto accident on their way to or from the pharmacy to pick up their Cipro?