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CASE #3?: WOMAN SAID TO TEST POSTIVE FOR ANTHRAX EXPOSURE
NY Post via Drudge ^
| October 9, 2001
| KEITH KELLY and LARRY CELONA
Posted on 10/09/2001 4:17:48 AM PDT by AlaninSA
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:01:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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An anthrax scare gripped the nation yesterday as a third employee of a supermarket tabloid was said to be exposed - and the FBI probed frightening reports of an odd e-mail from a departing intern about "a little present" that he left behind.
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To: JasonC
Haven't the tabloids solved that distribution problem?
Another product of simple-thinking ...
This has been gone over at least three dozen times - these magazines have regional printing facilities throughout the country ...
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posted on
10/09/2001 8:29:18 AM PDT
by
_Jim
To: Texas Tea; homegroan
They were also asked for all their computer passwords so investigators could probe their hard drives.Honestly, when I read this I had a vision of little popsicle sticks being inserted into every USB, printer port, and floppy drive.
After watching the Florida state and Palm Beach Co. health department officials yesterday, I can imagine LOTS of things.
To: _Jim
"these magazines have regional printing facilities.."
Why is that important? No one is saying that 100% of the newspapers would need to contain the anthrax spores in order for the terrorists to achieve their goals. It is not even necesaary that 100% of the papers from a particular facility be contaminated.
Consider the fact that a missile defense system does not have to be 100% effective to be worthwhile. Also, the terrorists didn't kill 100% of the people flying in airplanes on 9/11. NO ONE is looking for 100% effectiveness -- not us, and not the terrorists.
Why are you? Is it because you just don't want anything constructive to be done?
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To: _Jim
You can tell this is a serious story when we can go through 100 posts without anyone pointing out that the leader of the tabloid world is a PECKER!
Don't that explain a lot....
To: Iwo Jima
"these magazines have regional printing facilities.." Why is that important?
Because bright boy, these CONSPIRACY NUTS perceive peppering these nation-wide tabloids that sit at grocery store check-out counters as a most
excellent way to distribute a biological agent (or toxin) NATIONWIDE in one easy swoop!
IF NATAIONAL DISTRIBUTION were not important - SIMPLY DO THE NY TIMES, the Wash comPost, -your local paper-, ET CETRA ...
Geesh ...
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posted on
10/09/2001 9:10:57 AM PDT
by
_Jim
To: DCPatriot
My guess is that they want the computer passwords to look at porn . Remember, we just got through with 8yrs of Toon .
</ Sarcasm>
To: Cagey
This may have been discounted, but thanks for posting this story as it was the first time I read the intern may be from the Sudan.
Yes, noticed that too. Here is an article I posted last month. It's about something that happened here in Austin four years ago... and that incident has bugged me ever since.
Tick, Tick, Tick
To: AlaninRaleigh
An anthrax scare gripped the nation yesterday as a third employee of a supermarket tabloid was said to be exposed - and the FBI probed frightening reports of an odd e-mail from a departing intern about "a little present" that he left behind.exposed ----- not infected. BIG DIFFERENCE>
To: AlaninRaleigh
When you post from a corporate computer, what you post is corporate property! You are on coprporate property, the office, using corporate property, the computer, the electricity, the desk and chair are all paid for with corporate funds. That is why the corporation can demand your passwords and you MUST be forthcoming. If they have to root them off of their hard drives because you won't cooperate in a situation like this, you could probably be charged with endangering the public.
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posted on
10/09/2001 9:35:50 AM PDT
by
B4Ranch
To: Big Guy and Rusty 99
"exposed ----- not infected. BIG DIFFERENCE>"
If you are the victim, it is certainly a relief to find out that your exposure to anthrax did not lead to an infection. But there is really no big difference to the rest of us and not really to the victim, once he gets over the initial wave of relief.
Anthrax exposures such as we have recently seen mean that the bad guys have a usable stock of anthrax and are attempting to spread it. We all need to know where, how, and when each exposure occurred. We cannot take the position that we will only act once a significant number of people die.
If you were the victim of anthrax exposure, would you blithely go about your business and not demand knowing just where you were exposed and how? Would you just take a chance that next time the number of spores you inhaled wouldn't be enough to kill you? Would you just take a chance your exposure hadn't occurred in a way that could also expose your children to anthrax? Just how clueless and passive would you have to be not to consider "mere" esposure as an emergency?
Given the current (low) state of preparedness, the first person to be exposed to inhalation anthrax has to be looked upon as the "canary in the coal mine." Everyone has to treat the exposure as the emergency warning that it is, and act accordingly. Every person, place, or thing with which the victim has come in contact must be immediately and thoroughly investigated, inspected, examined, and treated.
It may turn out that the canary died of old age, but more likely it died of a cause which will kill more people if a "wait and see" attitude is followed.
To: AlaninRaleigh
"This sounds like an investigation gone nuts. "No it doesn't! They may want to see what websites have been visited, or if the intern left any spy worms behind. Spy worms are scary, there are commercial varients that track email and web site visits that don't trip ANY of the commercial anti-virus programs.
If big brother can watch us, so can arab piss-ants. Read about spyware here, at Gibson Research. You can also download a program to rid you of any you may have.
If you use anything from Realplayer, Comet Cursor, GoHip, or a bunch of others, you have a worm, and someone is tracking you for their commercial gain.
My point is this has been going on for a long time. Who's to say the ragheads don't have their own version?
To: _Jim
And you expect the rocket scientist attackers know everything about how to use such weapons, right? You can be sure they don't, because you are breathing. I don't think these weapons live up to their hype, because they are far harder to get to work than people suspect. But that doesn't mean the folks trying to use them don't believe such hype, themselves. What is implausible about a dumb terrorist thinking "If I contaminate these people, I'll contaminate their product, and it will contaminate all the supermarkets, and that will contaminate everybody?" Of course that is not remotely true. But it is a perfectly believeable thought for a bonehead terrorist. And if all terrorists were sharp as tacks, we wouldn't be here.
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posted on
10/09/2001 1:20:06 PM PDT
by
JasonC
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To: francisandbeans
Heaven help us. Palm Beach County is going to give another press conference.
To: JasonC
... you took the words right out of my mouth ...
Do you remember the terrorist group in Japan, Aum Shinrikyo, that was responsible for the release of sarin in a Tokyo, Japan, subway station in 1995?
On at least 8 different occasions they dispersed aerosols of anthrax and botulism throughout Tokyo. Those attacks failed to produce illness; the Anthrax strain they used for instance wasn't suitable for causing Anthrax (it was a strain used to develop vacines) ...
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posted on
10/09/2001 1:34:34 PM PDT
by
_Jim
To: JasonC
You are exactly right that a theory does not have to be plausible for it to be the motivation of a terrorist (or anyone else really). That's why asking "why" too early in an investigation creates such problems.
There is so much that we don't know and can't understand about why other people do the things that they do, that if we resticted investigations to theories that make sense to us, we would miss an awful lot.
Rathrer than starting with "why," first ask "what." What happened? And how did that happen? Move into "who." Only when you have some basis for knowing what happened, how, and by whom can you hope to figure out "why."
To: Letitring
"Heaven help us. Palm Beach County is going to give another press conference."
Keep us posted. Did they get together and discover one or two points that they haven't lost all credibility over, and do they intend to correct that oversight?
To: okie_tech
What moron needs everyone's passwords to get to the information anyway? i would think the fbi asking for passwords has two ramifications.
(1.) one would be to see who blinks at the question.
(2.) the other might (might) be that knowing that a good sys admin can
change every network password to fbi in a heartbeat, there
might be bios passwords that could take a minute or two longer
to break through.
not that that matters. see (1.)
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