Posted on 10/08/2001 4:56:04 PM PDT by Fighting Irish
Faster than the speed of sound? I don't think so, the speed of sound increases with density, the speed of sound in air at sea level is ~700mph, it's much faster in water.
As for the speed of sound in water:
Speed of Sound in Water R. J. Wilkes, 11/5/97 The literature on sound speed in water (freshwater and seawater) is rather confusing. There are 6 primary references in the literature (refs. [1]-[6] below). Treating them in chronological order, their content can be summarized as follows: Greenspan and Tschiegg (1959): Tables of c vs T for distilled water, 0 < T< 100 deg C; no pressure is given and it is presumably standard atmospheric P. Also given is a ploynomial fit with standard deviation 0.026 m/sec or 17 ppm. Wilson (1960a): Tables of c for seawater, -3 < T < 30 deg C; 1.033 (=1 atm)< P < 1000 kg/cm2; 33 < S < 37 ppt. Note that P is absolute pressure. A polynomial fit is reported with standard deviation 0.22 m/sec. Wilson (1960b): Tables of sound speed in distilled water, for 0 < T < 100 degC, 14.7 < P < 14,000 psia (ie, 1~1000 atm). The accuracy is 0.1 ppt. Wilson (1960c): A brief note giving an updated fit equation covering a wider range of parameters (especially salinity): -4 < T < 30 deg C, 1.0 < P < 1000 kg/cm2, 0 < S < 37 ppt. Del Grosso (1974): Provides a fit formula and tables of differences relative to results of previous formulas. Ranges are not given explicitly but tables in the paper cover 0 < T < 35 degC, 0 < S < 43 ppt, 0 < P < 1000 kg/cm2. Note that he uses gauge pressure, ie P=0 corresponds to 1 atm = 1.033 kg/cm2 absolute. Chen and Millero (1977): Tables and fit for 0 < T < 40 deg C, 0 < P < 1000 bars, 5 < S < 40 ppt. Note pressure is gauge pressure (P=0 corresponds to 1 atm). Standard deviation of fit is 0.19 m/sec. Attached is source code for Fortran-77 functions to compute the sound velocity for specified S,T,P using the fits described in refs. [1], [4] (which covers [2] and [3]), [5] and [6] within their valid ranges. The functions have been arranged for uniform input (T in degC, P in kg/cm2 absolute, S in ppt) and return c=-1 if input parameters are out of the range of validity for the fit coded. Naturally there is no warranty express or implied for the use of these functions! Following the source code is a table of c vs T according to the various authors, for fresh water, and one point for seawater at T=1 degC, P=500 kg/cm2 abs, S=35 ppt. References [1] M. Greenspan and C. Tschiegg, (1959), JASA 31:75. [2] W. Wilson, (1959), JASA 31:1067. [3] W. Wilson, (1960a), JASA 32:641. [4] W. Wilson, (1960b), JASA 32:1357. [5] V. Del Grosso, (1974), JASA 56:1084. [6] C. Chen and F. Millero, (1977), JASA 62:1129. Fortran-77 functions to calculate sound speed in water double precision function greensp(T,P,S) implicit double precision (a-z) c calculate c(m/sec) in fresh water at 1 atm given t(degC) c according to m. greenspan and c. tschiegg, JASA 31:75 (1959) if (s.gt.0.or.p.gt.1.033) then greensp=-1.0 return endif c=1402.736 c=c + (5.03358)*t +(-0.0579506)*t**2 # + (3.31636e-04)*t**3 + (-1.45262e-06)*T**4 # + (3.0449e-09)*t**5 greensp=c return end double precision function wilson(t,p,s) c find c(m/sec) in water with (T(degC), P(kg/cm2 abs), S(ppt)) c according to wilson, JASA 1960 implicit double precision (a-z) logical notok c test for in-range wilson=-1.0 notok=.false. if ((t.lt.(-4.0)).or.(t.gt.30.0)) notok=.true. if ((s.lt.0).or.(s.gt.37.0)) notok=.true. if ((p.lt.0).or.(p.gt.1000.0)) notok=.true. if (notok) return c ok c0 = 1449.14 ct1= 4.5721e00 ct2=-4.4532e-02 ct3=-2.6045e-04 ct4= 7.9851e-06 cp1=1.60272e-01 cp2=1.0268e-05 cp3=3.5216e-09 cp4=-3.3603e-12 dcs=1.39799*(S - 35.0)+1.69202e-03*(S - 35.0)**2 cstp1=-1.1244e-02 cstp2=7.7711e-07 cstp3=7.7016e-05 cstp4=-1.2943e-07 cstp5=3.1580e-08 cstp6= 1.5790e-09 cstp7=-1.8607e-04 cstp8=7.4812e-06 cstp9=4.5283e-08 cstp10=-2.5294e-07 cstp11=1.8563e-09 cstp12=-1.9646e-10 dct=t*(ct1+t*(ct2+t*(ct3+t*ct4))) dcp=p*(cp1+p*(cp2+p*(cp3+p*cp4))) dcstp=(s-35.0)*(cstp1*t + cstp2*t**2 + cstp3*p # + cstp4*p**2 + cstp5*p*t + cstp6*p*t**2) # + p*(cstp7*t + cstp8*t**2 + cstp9*t**3) # + p*p*(cstp10*t + cstp11*t**2) # + p**3*cstp12*t c=c0+dct+dcp+dcs+dcstp wilson=c return end double precision function delgros(t,pa,s) implicit double precision (a-z) logical notok c returns c(m/s) in water with (T(deg C), P(kg/cm2 abs), S(ppt)) c according to V. Del Grosso, JASA 56:1084 (1974) c convert kg/cm2 absolute to gauge pressure P=Pa-1.033 c test for in-range delgros=-1.0 notok=.false. if ((t.lt.0).or.(t.gt.35.0)) notok=.true. if ((s.lt.0).or.(s.gt.43.0)) notok=.true. if ((p.lt.0).or.(p.gt.1000.0)) notok=.true. if (notok) return c ok c0=1402.392 ct1= 0.501109398873E+01 ct2= -0.550946843172E-01 ct3=+0.221535969240E-03 cs1= 0.132952290781E+01 cs2= +0.128955756844e-03 cp1= 0.156059257041e00 cp2= +0.244998688441e-04 cp3= -0.883392332513e-08 c1= -0.127562783426e-01 c2= +0.635191613389e-02 c3= +0.265484716608e-07 c4= -0.159349479045e-05 c5= +0.522116437235e-09 c6= -0.438031096213e-06 c7= -0.161674495909e-08 c8= +0.968403156410e-04 c9= +0.485639620015e-05 c10= -0.340597039004e-03 dct=t*(ct1 +t*(ct2 + t*ct3)) dcs=s*(cs1 + s*cs2) dcp=p*(cp1 + p*(cp2 + p*cp3)) dcstp=c1*t*s + c2*t*p + c3*(t*p)**2 + c4*t*p**2 # + c5*t*p**3 + c6*p*t**3 + c7*(s*p)**2 # + c8*s*t**2 + c9*t*p*s**2 +c10*t*s*p c=c0+dct+dcs+dcp+dcstp delgros=c return end double precision chenmil(t,p0,s) c * sound speed according to Chen and Millero (1977) JASA,62,1129 implicit none double precision s,t,p0 double precision a,a0,a1,a2,a3,b,b0,b1 double c,c0,c1,c2,c3,p,sr,d,sv c convert from absolute to bars p = p0 - 1.033 c test for in-range wilson=-1.0 notok=.false. if ((t.lt.0.0).or.(t.gt.40.0)) notok=.true. if ((s.lt.5.0).or.(s.gt.40.0)) notok=.true. if ((p.lt.0).or.(p.gt.1000.0)) notok=.true. if (notok) return c ok sr = sqrt(s) d = 1.727e-3 - 7.9836e-6 * p b1 = 7.3637e-5 + 1.7945e-7 * t b0 = -1.922e-2 - 4.42e-5 * t b = b0 + b1 * p a3 = (-3.389e-13 * t + 6.649e-12) * t + 1.100e-10 a2 = ((7.988e-12 * t - 1.6002e-10) * t # + 9.1041e-9) * t - 3.9064e-7 a1 = (((-2.0122e-10 * t + 1.0507e-8) * t # - 6.4885e-8) * t - 1.2580e-5) * t + 9.4742e-5 a0 = (((-3.21e-8 * t + 2.006e-6) * t # + 7.164e-5) * t -1.262e-2) * t + 1.389 a = ((a3 * p + a2) * p + a1) * p + a0 c3 = (-2.3643e-12 * t + 3.8504e-10) * t - 9.7729e-9 c2 = (((1.0405e-12 * t -2.5335e-10) * t # + 2.5974e-8) * t - 1.7107e-6) * t + 3.1260e-5 c1 = (((-6.1185e-10 * t + 1.3621e-7) * t # - 8.1788e-6) * t + 6.8982e-4) * t + 0.153563 c0 = ((((3.1464e-9 * t - 1.47800e-6) * t # + 3.3420e-4) * t - 5.80852e-2) * t # + 5.03711) * t + 1402.388 c = ((c3 * p + c2) * p + c1) * p + c0 chenmil = c + (a + b * sr + d * s) * s return end Sample output Fresh water, surface T,degC Greenspan Wilson DelGrosso 0 0.14027E+04 0.14024E+04 0.14024E+04 1 0.14077E+04 0.14074E+04 0.14073E+04 2 0.14126E+04 0.14122E+04 0.14122E+04 3 0.14173E+04 0.14169E+04 0.14169E+04 4 0.14220E+04 0.14216E+04 0.14216E+04 5 0.14265E+04 0.14261E+04 0.14261E+04 6 0.14309E+04 0.14306E+04 0.14305E+04 7 0.14352E+04 0.14350E+04 0.14348E+04 8 0.14395E+04 0.14392E+04 0.14391E+04 9 0.14436E+04 0.14434E+04 0.14432E+04 10 0.14476E+04 0.14475E+04 0.14472E+04 11 0.14515E+04 0.14514E+04 0.14511E+04 12 0.14553E+04 0.14553E+04 0.14550E+04 13 0.14591E+04 0.14591E+04 0.14587E+04 14 0.14627E+04 0.14628E+04 0.14624E+04 15 0.14662E+04 0.14664E+04 0.14659E+04 16 0.14697E+04 0.14699E+04 0.14694E+04 17 0.14731E+04 0.14734E+04 0.14727E+04 18 0.14764E+04 0.14767E+04 0.14760E+04 19 0.14795E+04 0.14800E+04 0.14792E+04 20 0.14827E+04 0.14831E+04 0.14823E+04 Seawater, p=500, s=35 T,degC Greenspan Wilson DelGrosso 1 -0.10000E+01 0.15364E+04 0.15358E+04In other words, the speed of sound in water is roughly 1500 meters per second; that is 4920 feet per second or 3356 miles per hour.
--Boris
It utilizes silver battery driven propellers to send it out from the submarine to a safe distance before a liquid fueled rocket engine kicks in to send the missile to the surface.
From there it flies under rocket power at supersonic speed until just above its target, where it ejects a lightweight-torpedo with a parachute and a 200 pound explosive warhead, that slowly drops into the water, which then homes in on the submarine.
It can be armed with a mini-nuclear warhead and can engage targets at depths of up to 500 meters."
We can thank Toshiba for this.
And many stupid Americans continue to buy their products!
FReegards,
Yes, that's about right. For an easier way to do it, see: http://www.npl.co.uk/npl/acoustics/techguides/soundseawater/content.html. It provides several alternative equations -- just press the "Interactive version" link next to your preferred one and punch in the parameters, it'll calculate the speed of sound for you.
I got 3,300 miles per hour using one equation.
So I'm very skeptical of the claims in the article. At the very least, it would take ENORMOUS forces to shove aside water fast enough to travel at 3000+ mph in the water. Not only is water quite heavy, by volume, but it's practically incomprehsible -- unlike air, you can't just "squeeze" it out of your way, you have to shove it aside, plus all the water that's all around it. That's why jumping off a bridge into a body of water is almost always fatal -- at high speeds, water is about as "hard" as concrete.
Cue the Nuclear Explosion image.
Amazing! This is getting scarier and scarier ... and uncanny. Breath of Fire is about to hit the street, and this (albeit and much improved model of the supercavitating weapon), it the lynch pin.
Should have to available for sale in the next 2-3 days.
Compared to the Mk-48 (with snapshot capability), no amount of luck will be enough, with one of these russki fish.
It simply won't matter...
BTW, nice screen name.
FReegards.
How long do y'all reckon it'll take our Counter-Intelligence to get the specs on this torpedo...oooops, I fergot, Clinton gutted our Counter-Intelligence capability seein' as there was no longer any threat to the U.S. and all!!
LOL & FReegards...MUD
We should be building this same technology.
We are way behind in development.
And if it's traveling faster than the speed of sound, who the fcuk cares how noisy it is??? (You're dead before you hear it.)
Clinton was not indifferent to this. He was delighted by it. He never got more of a thrill then he did when crapping on anything American.
Finally we've got some adults in the White House. Hopefully this will help speed our development.
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