Skip to comments.Proposal for identification cards praised
Posted on 10/08/2001 12:18:58 PM PDT by sarcasmEdited on 07/12/2004 3:47:40 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
A Senate proposal requiring foreigners to carry identification cards is being praised by immigration reform proponents as long-overdue legislation and a needed protection against terrorist attacks.
"It would be criminal not to enact, at the very least, this initial proposal," said Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).
(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...
President George W. Bush
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear President Bush:
Perhaps the most basic role of any government is to ensure the safety of its citizens. The barbaric terrorist attacks of September 11th have shown that our government has not been doing all it can do to safeguard Americans from foreign nationals in our country illegally who would do us harm.
Please, Mr. President, instruct the INS to immediately find, arrest and deport the over 9 million aliens now in our country illegally. Then, I beg you to reform the immigration system so that America can regain control of its borders. Considering that the recent attacks cost over 6,000 innocent lives, over $60 billion in physical damage, and uncounted billions more in economic damage, almost any expense to reform immigration and enhance enforcement of our laws is justified.
Although the main reason for ejecting aliens illegally in our country is to enhance public safety, an added bonus will be the millions of jobs that would make available to Americans unemployed by the current economic downturn, as well as the decreased burden on taxpayers.
God bless you, Mr. President, and God bless America!
In fact many National ID Card proponents often say stuff like "But when I go to [insert foreign country, usually European], I have to carry my papers with me, and I don't mind." My response is always: Yeah, cuz you're not a citizen, you're a visitor, you idiot. Of course their governments ought to have some control over visitors and the like.
It's not an argument for forcing AMERICANS to carry National ID Cards. It's an argument for forcing FOREIGN VISITORS to do so - and I'm glad to finally see the proposal.
Now watch all the National ID Card fanatics rush into this thread and say that it's not enough just to track foreigners, we need to track grannies from Peoria as well....
Going this direction rather than focusing on citizens is exactly the right approach.
Do I follow your logic correctly?
Let's start from square one. Can you give me a good reason why visas or green cards should exist? Here is my counterargument: If the authorities encounter someone not carrying one of these things, "we have to presume they're a USA citizen, which kinda negates the whole point. If a cop asks if you have a" visa/green card, "and you say no and he doesn't believe you're a citizen, does he get to throw you in jail for a week while he attempts to verify your citizenship claim?"
Obviously not. Especially given the fact that "visas & green cards need not be kept on one's person for immediate production upon demand" in the first place.
Therefore they are completely worthless. Right?
What am I missing?
"Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him.... Any alien who fails to comply with [these] provisions shall be guilty of a misdemeanor" and may be subject to fine and/or inprisonment upon each conviction
This should be our #1 priority.
I already do so!
COP: Please show me your ID card.
FOREIGNER: I have no ID - I'm an American citizen.
COP: I don't believe you. It's time to go to jail. (Alternately: OK. Have a good one.)
I'm concerned that this proposal would only work if citizens also carried IDs on them at all times.
I agree with you on this issue.
And I also think that if we're not on a war footing, it is pointless, and if we are on a war footing, it is not strict enough. In either case it is a bad idea, half-measures.
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