[Protagoras]

philosophical disagreement with libertarians on things like abortion and gays and religious/moral issues.

Please tell me what you think the libertarian positions are on those topics. Small "l" not political party.

[conservativesoutherner]

I'm not saying anything in that sentence about my own views of what libertarians' positions actually are on those issues. I'm just relaying to you the reasons that i've heard him give for disagreeing with libertarians philosophically. Ultimately, I dont know what he thinks a "libertarian's" positions are on particular issues, I just know from what he's said that, for some reason, he finds them disagreeable. I can only gleen as a second party that he seems very old-fashioned and maybe in his mind, he confuses libertarians with libertines. Perhaps that would be wrong (it certainly sounds wrong, from everything i've heard you say.) But, it's like I was telling you, he's made quite clear that he's a consevative (philosophically, economically, culturally, etc.), so perhaps he doesn't have a firm grasp of where libertarians stand on all of the issues. As for what I think libertarians' positions are on issues in comparison to "conservatives", it sounds to me as if we're one in the same. We don't seem to disagree on much of anything. I have yet to read one philosophical position that you've taken with which I stridently disagree. So, you illuminate me- what's the difference between you and I? Are there any differences between us?