Posted on 10/08/2001 5:51:16 AM PDT by l33t
Tony
The Green/Communist coalition speaks with the assurance that their butts will be saved by the rest of the world and their own special forces. Hell, they're probably even against "Vigipirate" (the French domestic anti-terrorism operation)...
Don't waste your intelligence on this thread. Like all the rest on the topic of France, the posters are parrotting what they hear from our glorious unbiased media.
To expect these anti-French ignorant posters to demonstrate an awareness of true allies versus false allies is to be delusional. That will change. Just wait and watch, Tony.
France as did Britain and Germany lost so many men in the slaughter of the First World War, the flower of youth was mown down in one battle after another.
After the war a revulsion set in, a thought of never again.
America although only in the war for a year experienced a similar feeling, during the 1930s the American army was cut to the bone, but she had the Pacific and Atlantic to protect her.
During the 20s and 30s revelation swept through Europe, this was partly due to the slaughter, after the loss of so much life, people expected a better world instead the world went into depression, France coping with massive reconstruction was very badly hit, as her population polarised between Nationalists and Socialists and Communists, there were strikes and street battles. Government after Government fell.
The old Maximum that Generals always prepare for the last war rang true in France and to a lesser extent my own country. Remembering the slaughter especially the Battle of Verdun which was burnt into the mind of every French Officer they built the Maginot Line.
Not only did this encourage a defensive attitude but it swallowed up a lot of money that could of been used to modernise the French Military, her communications net was a shambles.
The Germans struck using tried and tested blitzkrieg methods, I will not give a blow by blow account of the movements, but it was almost textbook, good use of tacticle air support, applying overwhelming force at weak spots, breaking through and causing havoc in the rear.
The French Army were demoralised, but when led were able to defeat the Germans in local battles, a hasty counter attack by de Gaulle's hastily formed 4th Armoured Division routed a German Panzer Division.
The Germans had better tactics and were better led, they were more highly motivated since they burnt with the zeal of National Socialism.
During the occupation many collaborated but many also fought back.
Free French Forces fought along side my country in North Africa, where they fought well, French Troops also took part in DDay.
The Germans used those same tactics in Russia, it was only Russia size and strength that saved her, Britain was saved by the channel.
America is lucky she has three factors in her favour, her size, the Pacific and the Atlantic
Tony
Yet, it was Germany who won the Battle of France. In about a month, no less. Why?
In actual fact, the problem with France then was quite similar to the problem with them now -- an absolute, unshakeable certainty in their own superiority. Despite the lessons of the Great War, they still believed in the doctrine of offensive. They had hoped that the Maginot Line would hold back the Germans on the right long enough for the French Army and BEF to counterpunch them back through the low countries on the French left.
Well, the Maginot Line did hold on the French right. And they probably would have succeeded in counterpunching well enough in the low countries on the left. They only forgot about one thing -- the center. The Germans simply came through the "impassable" Ardennes, with all of their armor. And proceeded to stomp a mud hole in French behinds.
So what is to be learned historically from this episode? First, while not lacking in courage, the French possess a paucity of strategic insight, at least since the days of Napoleon (who was a Corsican, anyway). Second, they are unaware of their lack of strategic genius, again thanks to the Napoleonic legacy, and consider any non-Frenchman to be automatically, a fool. Finally, that most of the war jokes made at French expense are not deserved, but at least some of them are.
Yes, I know that DeGaulle warned them about the tanks. A prophet is without honor in his own land.
Using Nationalist Socialism he rebirth Germany gave them a sense of purpose that of the creation of the Master Race. Germany was promised a bright future.
What chance did a divided people the French have.
Cheers for the debate, it is good to exercise the old bean know and again.
The good thing is that there special ops are on the ground with are lads.
I feel that something has changed this war against Terrorism has united the West in a way I have never seen in my life time.
Tony
America owes France a tremendous debt of gratitude for we would not have become independent without her. However, 20th century France has left a lot to be desired, IMHO.
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