Posted on 10/07/2001 4:41:26 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
And where exactly would I find this in the Holy Bible? An exact verse reference that supports this, not the usual hagiography about holy fathers?
Well, you could always set up idolatry.com, where the truth of the Bible was forbidden then, you would never have to worry about people trying to open your eyes to the numerous ways man made catechism conflicts with the Holy Bible that God inspired to be written.
..not to go near any malls on Halloween! And the Pope is controlled by the Queen!
And your pharisaical doctrine of "our gang of red dressed idolaters can make up anything they wish" is decreed by God where?
Remember when your cult declared that Earth was the center of the universe and placed Galileo under house arrest for heresy?
HAHA, I can always feel the "Christian'" love when I exchange posts with you!
Remember when God said that Scripture is sufficient? Me neither.
It's clear that you are Protestant or whatever you want to call yourself, so it's always 'open season' for pot shots at Catholics.
Quite frankly, I'm offended. Catholics tolerate Protestants, but they do not direct blatant hostility toward them. And if you think it isn't true, look at Northern and Southern Ireland. We are taught to exercise charity to those who are unkind to us. SOME Protestants seize every opportunity to criticize and denigrate Catholics. Remember, Protestantism is the result of the Revolt initiated by Martin Luther. He tailored his beliefs, not to accept the Truth, nor to be obedient to his vows, but to suit himself and spread heresy.
The Roman Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, so bible thumping and quoting scripture doesn't wash with me. Stop pontificating to Catholics, especially when you have no idea what Our doctrine dictates. Protestants are skilled in memorizing scripture.. but that's all it is.. parrot talk.
Fortitude put it as plainly as he could. I don't see why you find such conjecture in the Truth. Bottom line for Catholics: DEFEND THE FAITH.
Remember when God said that Scripture is sufficient? Me neither.
ROMANS 1:16 ¶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
ROMANS 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
II TIMOTHY 3:10 ¶ But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
II TIMOTHY 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of [them] all the Lord delivered me.
II TIMOTHY 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
II TIMOTHY 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
II TIMOTHY 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
II TIMOTHY 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
II TIMOTHY 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
II TIMOTHY 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Guess I'll hafta repeat myself too: If it is posted on FR is it subject to discussion, if you can't defend your cult and don't like its doctrinal perversions discussed set up your own website where the truth of the Gospel is forbidden."
It's clear that you are Protestant or whatever you want to call yourself, so it's always 'open season' for pot shots at Catholics.
It is always "open season" on untruth.
Quite frankly, I'm offended. Catholics tolerate Protestants, but they do not direct blatant hostility toward them. And if you think it isn't true, look at Northern and Southern Ireland. We are taught to exercise charity to those who are unkind to us. SOME Protestants seize every opportunity to criticize and denigrate Catholics. Remember, Protestantism is the result of the Revolt initiated by Martin Luther. He tailored his beliefs, not to accept the Truth, nor to be obedient to his vows, but to suit himself and spread heresy.
You can be apoplectic for all I care. Pick up a history book, read about Joan of Arc, Galileo, Jan Hus and all the victims of catholic inquisition, to see how "tolerant" the cult of rome is.
The Roman Catholic Church is the One True Church founded by Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, so bible thumping and quoting scripture doesn't wash with me. Stop pontificating to Catholics, especially when you have no idea what Our doctrine dictates. Protestants are skilled in memorizing scripture.. but that's all it is.. parrot talk.
And spouting the idiology of idolaters is what?
Your cult claims to "equally accept Scripture and (man made) tradition" why then do you so hate it when a Christian shows you what the Bible actually says?
Instead of throwing a tempertantrum why don't you show me in the Holy Bible where Christians are wrong about your cult?
Fortitude put it as plainly as he could. I don't see why you find such conjecture in the Truth. Bottom line for Catholics: DEFEND THE FAITH.
Because cathlolicism is indefensable in itself.
Guess you'll want to venerate the terrorists on Sept. 11th because they also died for their man made "faith" too.
Also, how could I supply a verse reference to an imagined doctrine created by your poisoned mind?
You stick to your man-made tradition of bibolatry and I’ll stick with the Bride of Christ.
Sometimes a person such as you is so convinced of the rightness of a religious assertion that he cannot even consider the possibility that he is less than 100% correct. The Catholics have a name for this. They call it holy effrontery. I have a name for it, too. I call it "Stepped in what?"
You are a member of a cult that claims to be Christian and yet most of the major beliefs of your cult cannot be supported by the Holy Bible which was inspired by God and written by THE FIRST CHRISTIANS.
Your "holy effrontery" attempted cheapshot pretty well describes cathlolicism. As a test, why don't you show me where in the New Testament Jesus or the Apostles taught anyone to "venerate" an image?
EXODUS 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:
EXODUS 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;
2132. "The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, 'the honor rendered to an imagees to its prototype,' and 'whoever venerates an imagerates the person portrayed in it.'The honor paid to sacred images is a 'respectful veneration,' not the adorationod alone: Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image not terminate in it as image tends toward that whose images.
Then why don't you tell me how your cult teaches you to get to Heaven and the support for that belief in the Bible?
Also, how could I supply a verse reference to an imagined doctrine created by your poisoned mind?
Quit acting like a typical catholic jerk would be a great start.
You stick to your man-made tradition of bibolatry and I’ll stick with the Bride of Christ.
"Bibolatry" that is funny, the same sort of made up slurword common of the left, like sodomites calling normal people "hetrosexists", as though believing what God had the written in the Holy Bible was somehow evil or perverse.
I'll pray for you.
Pray for yurself...You have had repeated opportunities to attempt to make make a point and yet all you're doing is throwing cheap shots.
Don't worry though, you are a typical catholic, insecure, hateful, abusive...
You can't defend rome because the only way to accept roman dogma is to believe that God inspired the writing of the Holy Bible and the Apostles were moved to preach something entirely different. The bulk of your beliefs come come from 3rd and 4th century pagans, not Jesus. In any event you're not the first one to get mad when it was pointed out that idolatry is wrong.
Acts 19:21 Afterward Paul felt impelled by the Holy Spirit£ to go over to Macedonia and Achaia before returning to Jerusalem. “And after that,” he said, “I must go on to Rome!”
Acts 19:22 He sent his two assistants, Timothy and Erastus, on ahead to Macedonia while he stayed awhile longer in the province of Asia.
Acts 19:23 But about that time, serious trouble developed in Ephesus concerning the Way.
Acts 19:24 It began with Demetrius, a silversmith who had a large business manufacturing silver shrines of the Greek goddess Artemis. He kept many craftsmen busy.
Acts 19:25 He called the craftsmen together, along with others employed in related trades, and addressed them as follows: “Gentlemen, you know that our wealth comes from this business.
Acts 19:26 As you have seen and heard, this man Paul has persuaded many people that handmade gods aren’t gods at all. And this is happening not only here in Ephesus but throughout the entire province!
Acts 19:27 Of course, I’m not just talking about the loss of public respect for our business. I’m also concerned that the temple of the great goddess Artemis will lose its influence and that Artemis—this magnificent goddess worshiped throughout the province of Asia and all around the world—will be robbed of her prestige!”
Acts 19:28 At this their anger boiled, and they began shouting, “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”
Acts 19:29 A crowd began to gather, and soon the city was filled with confusion. Everyone rushed to the amphitheater, dragging along Gaius and Aristarchus, who were Paul’s traveling companions from Macedonia.
Acts 19:30 Paul wanted to go in, but the believers wouldn’t let him.
Acts 19:31 Some of the officials of the province, friends of Paul, also sent a message to him, begging him not to risk his life by entering the amphitheater.
Acts 19:32 Inside, the people were all shouting, some one thing and some another. Everything was in confusion. In fact, most of them didn’t even know why they were there.
Acts 19:33 Alexander was thrust forward by some of the Jews, who encouraged him to explain the situation. He motioned for silence and tried to speak in defense.
Acts 19:34 But when the crowd realized he was a Jew, they started shouting again and kept it up for two hours: “Great is Artemis of the Ephesians! Great is Artemis of the Ephesians!”
Acts 19:35 At last the mayor was able to quiet them down enough to speak. “Citizens of Ephesus,” he said. “Everyone knows that Ephesus is the official guardian of the temple of the great Artemis, whose image fell down to us from heaven.
Acts 19:36 Since this is an indisputable fact, you shouldn’t be disturbed, no matter what is said. Don’t do anything rash.
Acts 19:37 You have brought these men here, but they have stolen nothing from the temple and have not spoken against our goddess.
Acts 19:38 If Demetrius and the craftsmen have a case against them, the courts are in session and the judges can take the case at once. Let them go through legal channels.
Acts 19:39And if there are complaints about other matters, they can be settled in a legal assembly.
Acts 19:40 I am afraid we are in danger of being charged with rioting by the Roman government, since there is no cause for all this commotion. And if Rome demands an explanation, we won’t know what to say.”
Acts 19:41 Then he dismissed them, and they dispersed.
You can't answer the question.
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