The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 159

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[malakhi]

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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 158

[malakhi]

Hi JH. I'd say it is simply the weakness that flesh is heir to. I don't think we need to read anything further into it. To borrow a Christian expression, we all have our crosses to bear. What is most important is how Rush responds to this adversity. I have no doubt that he will overcome this.

[RobbyS]

Just a shame. Something happens to te inner ear, which interfaces with the rest of the brain. I would like to know what if any cause can be assigned to this. God bless him.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

If I understand correctly, that's what they've been saying for 159 threads. I know Catholics understand Sola Scriptura as being, Bible only, no Tradition, while they understand it as ,the Bible is the only way to Salvation. God's last and only word on everything. They seem to think the Holy Spirit helps them to understand what is says in the Bible, but very little else.

Guess ya haven't been paying too much attention Tiki. That's the catholic definition of Sola Scriptura. But if you'll scroll back a couple of threads, there's enlightenment awaiting. Be sure you read prayerfully with an open heart.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Is there anyone on tonight that can give me a quick run down of what the RCC's teach about the Holy Spirit?

If there are no catholics to respond to this tonight Hav, ya mind if a former catholic takes a crack at it? To a catholic the Holy Spirit is either a Magisterium or a private interpretation.

[malakhi]

angelo don't the sins of ignorance reveal the underlying truth that man is a sinner by nature.

Yes and no. They reveal first that we are limited, imperfect creatures. Being limited and imperfect does not necessarily imply being evil. Judaism teaches that each of us has both a good impulse (yetzer tov) and an evil (more properly, selfish) impulse (yetzer hara). The Talmud teaches that without the yetzer hara motivating us to satisfy personal needs, we wouldn't build houses, marry, have children or tend to our business affairs. Yetzer hara can lead to wrongdoing when not properly controlled by the yetzer tov. There is nothing inherently wrong with hunger, but it can lead you to steal food. There is nothing inherently wrong with sexual desire, but it can lead you to commit adultery.

Judaism teaches that we have free will, and choose which impulse to follow. We all have the ability to make our own choices, and we will all be held responsible for the choices we make.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

It must be eating him up, it would me and I'm hard of hearing also so I feel for him.

He did say he still could do a transplant thing as a last resort, and I read on another thread from a freeper that had this done and said it worked for him, just had it done a while back and he was out at night listien to sounds for the first time sense he was 7.Could be his last hope, we need to pray for him.

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

But if you'll scroll back a couple of threads, there's enlightenment awaiting. Be sure you read prayerfully with an open heart.

Boy it sure has been dead in here the last couple of days.

Did I miss them waving a white flag or something ? :)

Its goina be hard hitting 200 threads at this pace.

BigMack

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

We all have the ability to make our own choices, and we will all be held responsible for the choices we make.

So how good do you have to be to make the cut, and can non Jews make the cut too?

BigMack

[hopefulpilgrim]

About Rush: Maybe God is getting his attention because He wants Rush to take Him seriously. Rush doesn't profess to be a Christian; perhaps this trial will draw Him to Christ. Wouldn't that be cool? I am going to pray for his salvation AND for his healing. Will y'all, too?

[dadwags]

159:397
What catholics think about the Holy spirit
Try this site
www.scripturecatholic.com
then, scroll down the left side headings to "The Holy Spirit" and click on it . You may or may not find it helpful . there is also a lot of other stuff there that may interest you . let us know .

[Uri’el-2012]

The truth is, it is not at all clear that in the Hebrew scriptures, "Jesus is the Rock". The name "Jesus" is
never mentioned. God is frequently called "the Rock". Now, you believe that Jesus is God, so you read
this back into the Hebrew scriptures as evidence that Jesus is the Rock. But this is your interpretation, not
what the Hebrew scriptures actually say.

34 Posted on 10/04/2001 21:24:01 PDT by angelo

A brief review yields:

Tehillim (Psalm) 89:26 He will call out to me, `You are my Father, my God, the Rock my Saviour.'

Tehillim Psalm. 18:2 The LORD is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge. He is my shield and the horn [Horn here symbolises strength.] of my salvation, my stronghold.

Tehillim (Psalm) 18:46 The LORD lives! Praise be to my Rock! Exalted be God my Saviour!

Tehillim (Psalm) 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.

XeniaSt

[al_c]

Did I miss them waving a white flag or something ? :)

No ... it's just that some of us have lives. ;o)

[SoothingDave]

Boy it sure has been dead in here the last couple of days.

Did I miss them waving a white flag or something ? :)

You know, Big Mack, when we Catholics are missing you're allowed to comment on each other's theology. For instance, do you agree with Havoc that Jesus isn't God?

SD

[al_c]

Good morning, everyone!

Tuesday, October 9, 2001
Saint Denis, bishop and martyr, and companions, martyrs - Optional Memorial

Saint John Leonardi, priest - Optional Memorial

First Reading: Responsorial Psalm: Gospel:

Jonah 3:1-10 Psalm 130:1-4, 7-8 Luke 10:38-42 Eternal God, behold me prostrate before your immense majesty, humbly adoring you. I offer you all my thoughts, words, and actions of this day. I offer them all to be thought, spoken, and done entirely for love of you, for your glory, to fulfill your divine will, to serve you, to praise you, and bless you..... I wish and intend to do everything in union with the most pure intentions of Jesus and Mary.......   -- St. John Leonardi

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From wau.org...

This story of Jesus' encounter with Mary and Martha has often been taken as an example of a certain kind of tension within the church. Like Mary, some people emphasize the importance of spending time with the Lord in prayer. Like Martha, others emphasize the importance of serving in the parish and working for social justice. Often, the tension causes conflict as the "Marys" accuse the "Marthas" of ignoring the Lord while the "Marthas" accuse the "Marys" of self-serving idealism.

But Jesus never meant for love of God and love of neighbor to divide us. Quite the contrary! He wants both loves to flourish in each one of us. Luke demonstrates this by placing the story of Martha and Mary directly after the parable of the Good Samaritan. While Jesus calls us to "go and do" what the Samaritan did (Luke 10:37), he also calls us to focus our hearts on loving him and hearing his voice (10:41-42).

Have we not all experienced how difficult it is to love certain people, especially those who are very different from us? Without an ongoing experience of Jesus' love, loving others becomes harder and harder. Only Jesus' love can nourish, refresh, and strengthen us so that we can nourish, refresh, and strengthen others. Only as the love of Christ flows in us do we have a love we can share with those we are called to serve.

Sitting at the feet of the Lord, we can begin to hear God's calling and come to know how he is asking us to love those around us. Then, confident in our calling and filled up over and over again through regular prayer, we can go out and build the kingdom in ways we may have never thought possible.

Do you experience the "Mary-Martha" tension in your heart? Are you sometimes tempted to let what is "good" overshadow what is "best?" Let's be careful to keep the right balance between prayer and service. Let's allow the light of Christ to shine in our hearts until we are warmed by divine love. Then, like Jesus, we too will walk in the power of the Spirit and become instruments of transformation of the world.

"Jesus, you are the source of all blessing. Thank you for your faithful love. Thank you for never taking your eyes off me. Help me never to take my eyes off you."

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Have a great day!

[saradippity]

Thankyou for posting the readings and the homily each day. Great way to start the morning!!

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

You know, Big Mack, when we Catholics are missing you're allowed to comment on each other's theology. For instance, do you agree with Havoc that Jesus isn't God?

I don't think that he did, but he will have to clear that up for you. As for me, "JESUS IS GOD".

BigMack

[OLD REGGIE]

Is it just me, or does it seem strange that the same people who argue for the beauty of "diversity" in the various churches founded after the Reformation disown this very same diversity when the magic word "ecumenical" is invoked?
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Forgive me if I misunderstand the context in which you make this statement. (I confess, I have not read all the pertinent posts).

It seems to me, and Mirriam-Webster, that "Diversity" and "Ecumenical" are mutually exclusive terms. It wouldn't be surprising that those who espouse "diversity" would be skeptical of "Ecumenism".

Skeptical especially, of just how ecumenism is applied.
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di*ver*si*ty (noun), plural -ties

First appeared 14th Century

1 : the condition of being diverse : VARIETY

2 : an instance of being diverse
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di*verse (adjective)

[Middle English divers, diverse, from Old French & Latin; Old French divers, from Latin diversus, from past participle of divertere]

First appeared 14th Century

1 : differing from one another : UNLIKE

2 : composed of distinct or unlike elements or qualities

synonym see DIFFERENT
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ec*u*men*i*cal (adjective)

[Late Latin oecumenicus, from Late Greek oikoumenikos, from Greek oikoumene the inhabited world, from feminine of oikoumenos, present passive participle of oikein to inhabit, from oikos house -- more at VICINITY]

First appeared circa 1587

1 : worldwide or general in extent, influence, or application

2 a : of, relating to, or representing the whole of a body of churches

b : promoting or tending toward worldwide Christian unity or cooperation

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[malakhi]

So how good do you have to be to make the cut

Let me preface my reply by saying that Judaism is much more focused on our behavior in this world than in speculating what happens in the next. As a result, there is little official dogma on the afterlife. Maimonides lists the resurrection of the dead as one of the 13 principles of faith. But aside from this, Jews are free to have, and do have, varying beliefs on the afterlife. What I present is the most "traditional" view.

Jews believe that the righteous go to heaven immediately after death. Those lacking in righteousness go to gehinnom. Gehinnom is not Hell, as understood by Christianity, but is more comparable to the Catholic Purgatory. Almost no one stays there longer than one year. It is a place of repentence and purification. Once the dead have atoned and been made righteous, they ascend to heaven. Only the very evil do not ascend. Some believe that they remain in gehinnom a longer time, possibly indefinitely. Others that their souls are destroyed.

Not all people have the same reward in heaven. The most righteous will have a greater reward than the "minimally" righteous.

Judaism is not focused on the question of how to get into heaven. We concentrate more on how to live this life. Jews see performing the mitzvot as our privilege and our sacred obligation. We perform them out of a sense of love and obedience to God, not out of a desire to get something in return.

and can non Jews make the cut too?

Absolutely! Judaism does not believe that one needs to convert to Judaism in order to make it to heaven. We believe that the righteous of all nations have a place in the World to Come. The main difference is that gentiles are not obligated to observe the Torah. The gentile standard of righteousness is the Seven Laws of Noah. These Laws are ethical standards that are accepted by virtually every civilization. The form the basis for natural law, the law written on our hearts. Anyone following the tenets of Christianity would meet this standard. Like Jews, gentiles vary in righteousness, and may need a period of purification before entering paradise.