Posted on 10/07/2001 7:16:11 AM PDT by aaaDOC
China Moves Forces into Afghanistan
6 October:
Before even the launching of the major US military offensive in Afghanistan, long Chinese convoys were carrying armed Chinese Muslim servicemen through northwest China into Afghanistan, according to DEBKAfile's intelligence experts.
They were sent in to fight alongside the ruling Taliban and Osama Bin Laden Al Qaeda. Their number is estimated roughly between 5000 and 15,000. Our sources report another three convoys are behind the first 3000, who crossed the frontier Friday, October 5.
They are entering Afghanistan along the ancient Krakoram Road to the Afghan-Pakistani border, through the Kulik Pass of Little Pamir, which is situated in one of the highest and most remote regions of the world.
Beijing is deploying this force in two places:
A. Whakyir, the Kirgyz tribal encampment near the Little Pamir-Tadjik frontier, opposite the swelling concentration of US and Russian Special Forces and air strength
The Chinese have brought with them Kirgyz fundamentalist militants from the Ferghana Valley of Central Asia, as interpreters.
From Whakyir, the Chinese generals believe, with Bin Laden and the Taliban's tacticians, they will be able to block off the movement of the US-led force from its rallying point in Dzhartygumbez, Tadjikistan, no more than 35 miles from Little Pamir, into the mountains of Hindu Kush.
B. Jalalabad in north Afghanistan, at the foot of the Hindu Kush range.
DEBKAfile's Chinese sources reveal that, immediately after the terrorist strikes in the United States on September 11, the Chinese intelligence service, MSS, handed in to the defense ministry in Beijing their estimation that the United States would go to war to overthrow the Taliban regime, for the sake of which it would sign a pact with Russia. The Chinese leadership viewed this eventuality as the most significant shift in the global balance since the 1962 Chinese-Russian feud, with dangerous implications for China world standing and its interests in Central and Southwest Asia. They decided it must be counteracted.
The only satisfactory outcome of the Bin Laden crisis in Chinese eyes is the redeployment of Japanese-based US troops to the Persian Gulf, when the Kitty Hawk carrier moved the 3rd Marines Division out of Okinawa last week.
Chinese intelligence did not miss the absence of fighters and reconnaissance craft on her decks. The planes stayed behind, but the very fact that the Kitty Hawk is no longer within operational range of the Straits of Taiwan leaves the disputed island with diminished protection.
Beijing also took note of additional US military movements, including the Army's 10th Mountain Division based at Fort Drum, New York and that of another formerly Pacific-based unit, the 25th Infantry Division, out of Hawaii to the Persian Gulf.
According to DEBKAfile's Far East experts, the removal of substantial US military strength from the Pacific Rim opened the way for Chinese intervention in Afghanistan and its effort to slow down the US-Russian advance.
blah, blah, blah. Spoken like a true liberal. When you can't answer the criticism, cry racism.
Yada, yada, yada...
Feel better now, Goebbels?
They've already given great amount of aid to the Taliban over the past few years.
The Communist Chinese Party reasosn exactly oppositie as you did -- they aid the Taliban, Iraq, Iran etc.. so that they will not help the rebels in Xinjiang.
As far as this report, I would doubt that the Chinese are goin to fight for bin Laden.
They are deployed in the easternmost regions of their country, near Pakistan and the very small Afghanistan border.
It is conceivable they could move across a border.
I would assume their presence is at least twofold, one to keep refugees or others out of China. Second, to monitor as closely as possible the US and allied action and to get whatever technology they can salvage.
That would be DEBKA's job. Do try to keep up.
Please..., it's too much humor for one morning.
Your "Goebbel's propaganda line" is just too funny. You're just Arafat-controlled media in the PA areas. If it weren't so destructive over there in Israel -- it would be absolutely hilarious to hear them accuse the "Jews themselves of being Nazis".
This type of thinking is just a symptom of an extreme psychological disturbance -- or rather simply "base evil".
Actually, I think it's a lunatic Israeli propaganda site. Not government-run, of course, but spouting all kinds of fantasy and spin from an ignorant, super-hawkish Jewish perspective.
I agree that it actually benefits radical Islamics, because it is massive disinformation. It would make hilarious reading if we didn't have the problem that some people actually believe it and assert that anyone who doesn't is anti-semitic.
That's utter nonsense, but we see it right here on Free Republic.
Everything they've "reported," and I use that term VERY loosely, is for the benefit of Usama bin Laden. Their main propaganda goal is to injure Arab/US-coalition relations. It would be fatal for Israel if these relationships erupt.
Your claims that DEBKA is an Israeli news source are laughable. Israel isn't stupid. And I'd appreciate it if you'd stop putting forth that they are.
DEBKA is a radical Islamist propaganda site. The propaganda they disseminate benefits Usama bin Laden. I can't help that you're too blind to see that.
Try asking yourself: Qui bono?
That may help.
So I came to the conclusion that DEBKA is a radical Islamist site. All of the blatant lies DEBKA puts out benefit Usama bin Laden's efforts. It's a reasoned, logical conclusion.
Enough said.
So I came to the conclusion that DEBKA is a radical Islamist site. All of the blatant lies DEBKA puts out benefit Usama bin Laden's efforts. It's a reasoned, logical conclusion.
One never expects the "Goebbels" of the world to deny their own propaganda. What we work for is that others don't believe your "Goebbel's-type propaganda".
With that, I just say, you will not succeed at suppressing information which comes to the surface here (or on the Internet), regardless of your propaganda. It will speak for itself -- FORTUNATELY. The fact that you try to suppress it so much (with great regularity) speaks "volumes" in and of itself.
I don't think that CNN, ABC, CBS, "et al" come under so much criticism -- even though they deserve it eminently.
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Ditto...
You continue to fall back on ad hominem attacks.
Typical.
Try proving that DEBKA's "reports" have any basis in fact and you might help give legitimacy to DEBKA's radical Islamist mission.
Try proving that DEBKA's "reports" have any basis in fact and you might help give legitimacy to DEBKA's radical Islamist mission.
A hazard of this type of "Goebbel's propaganda" is that you might actually start believing your own lies. Be careful, it's been known to cause brain damage.
You're pretty funny. Keep up the humor..., we need a few laughs around here. :-0 :-P
A week or so back, a third party news outfit (I forget which) reported that Debka -- rather than being a couple of teenagers -- is a couple of Israeli ex-intel guys with a lot of genuine sources.
Then a day or two ago, it was reported that the talibastards have been mixing bogus info with their actual comms (i.e., encrypted stuff from one cell to another etc.) in order to trick the "enemy" and to flush out leaks.
Put two and two together, and you see a likely explanation for Debka's mix of good and bad stories.
It would also be:
* "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
* A way to kill two birds with one stone: wear down the West, and, get a pile of their own muslim radicals sent to Allah.
Think about it.
And delivering them to the meat grinder would be inconsistent with that goal exactly how?
You're really starting to sound like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson in your post. If someone disagrees with you, then they are racist, or in your case, anti-semitic. Give it a rest.
Well, when one smells the stink of anti-semitism, it's hard to say anything else other than, "What is that stinking smell?!!" It's like stepping into a pile of stinking and steamy feces.
That reminds me of a joke.
The Taliban think they are pretty smart. They actually catch themselves before they step into those piles of stinking and steamy feces. However, they always like to let you know that they've been "successful". They'll put out their hand and say, "See what I almost stepped in!" [ :-O :-P ]
A week or so back, a third party news outfit (I forget which) reported that Debka -- rather than being a couple of teenagers -- is a couple of Israeli ex-intel guys with a lot of genuine sources.
Yep, I saw it. I believe it was on the web site of MSNBC. It was posted here on Free Republic, too.
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