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***FYI*** JUST SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT NUCLEAR WAR COULD MEAN
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Posted on 10/05/2001 5:28:17 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

***FYI*** JUST SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT NUCLEAR WAR COULD MEAN
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TOP SCIENTISTS WARNS OF BIOLOGICLE WAR THREAT

What are the signs that a poison gas attack (or a chemical accident) might be taking place?

One of the many unsettling characteristics of chemical agents is that some of them cannot be seen or smelled. Citizens can protect themselves by observing the following rule of thumb: If a single person is on the ground, choking or seizing, it is likely this individual is having a heart attack or some sort of seizure. However, if several people are down, coughing, vomiting, or seizing, they could be reacting to the presence of a toxic substance. Evacuate the area immediately and dial 911, making sure to tell the dispatcher that a hazardous gas may be present.

Indoors: If indoors, exit the building as rapidly as possible. Once outside, if you believe that you may have been exposed to the toxic substance, discarding your modesty and shedding your clothes could save your life. Taking off your outer clothing can remove roughly 80 percent of the contamination hazard. Look for a nearby fountain, pool, or other source of water so that you can quickly and thoroughly rinse any skin that may have been exposed (e.g., jump in the pool). Studies show that water alone is an effective decontaminant. Rescuers will arrive within minutes, and firefighters will hook up hoses and spray everyone to decontaminate them. Try to remain calm. Rescuers will triage everyone so that they can give medical attention to the most seriously affected individuals first. Even if you are showing no symptoms of exposure (e.g., eye problems), paramedics and physicians on scene will want to give you a check-up and advise you about follow-up care. Police officers will also want to speak with you about what you may have observed that could help them catch the individual(s) responsible.

Outdoors: Birds and other small animals would very quickly be overcome by a poison gas, so if birds are dropping from the sky, that is another warning sign of toxic trouble. The most important thing to do is to get a physical barrier between you and the toxic cloud. Get indoors quickly--preferably into a building but even being inside a car will help. Shut all windows and doors and turn off the air conditioner. Try to plug any air drafts (e.g., under doors). This technique is known as sheltering in place. Call 911 and notify authorities that a hazardous gas may be present. If that is indeed the case, the wind will carry the toxic hazard away within a relatively short period of time. Stay indoors, and turn on the television and/or radio for news and announcements. Authorities will notify you when it is safe to go outside. If you are at home, put your clothes in a plastic bag and take a shower, which will help remove any contamination that might have occurred before you were able to get indoors.

Should citizens buy gas masks?

The chances that terrorists will turn to poisonous substances instead of conventional bombs are very, very remote. However, if it makes you feel better to purchase a gas mask, by all means, go ahead. Please make sure that you are properly fitted---a loose gas mask defeats the purpose. Also, please ensure that you are properly instructed in the use of the mask.

Personally, I do not carry a gas mask with me. I take the subway to and from work daily, and I continue to go to meetings and other events in large buildings.

Note also that the only nation that has ever issued gas masks to all of its citizens is the state of Israel.

What are the signs of a biological attack?

By now, the media has repeatedly broadcast that biological agents can be dispersed from commercial sprayers, such as crop dusters. Often omitted from these reports is the fact that, among other complications, commercial equipment would have to be modified for such an attack strategy to have a chance of success.

Still, crop dusters are out of place over cities, and the FBI has already placed restrictions about where they can fly. Were I to see one over a metropolitan area, I would immediately go indoors, shut all windows and doors, turn off the air conditioner, and notify authorities. The same would hold true for any other unusual spraying activities. For instance, a person tending a rooftop garden would not raise my suspicions, but an individual deliberately spraying a substance from a rooftop, or a truck dispersing a misty substance through side vents, would.

Keep in mind that occasionally local authorities employ helicopters and other means to spray approved pesticides to control mosquitoes and other pests. Officially sanctioned spraying activities are announced well in advance, repeatedly. A call to local authorities can confirm whether any spraying that you might observe would fall into that category.

What can citizens do to protect themselves from a possible biological disaster?

Frankly, it may not be apparent that a biological agent has been dispersed until people begin falling ill several days later . For most biological agents, the initial symptoms would resemble a flu-like malaise. Across the nation, local, state, and federal authorities are putting capabilities in place to improve the ability to detect abnormal public health problems rapidly---to distinguish between multiple cases of the flu or a possible biological agent attack.

As the normal cold and flu season rolls around in the next few months, please do not jump to the conclusion that you have been infected with a biowarfare agent if you begin to feel achy or have the sniffles. In fact, people catch colds throughout the year. You are more likely to get hit by lightning than to be the victim of a bioterrorist attack.

If, however, you hear reports that a biological agent may have just been released, stay indoors or get indoors right away, shut all windows and doors, and turn off the air conditioning system. The most worrisome method of biological agent dissemination is aerosol dispersal. For a biowarfare aerosol to make you ill, microscopic particles must find their way into your lungs. Therefore, putting a physical barrier in between you and a possible aerosol cloud is a key self-protection step.

Of course, a gas mask can provide excellent respiratory protection. Alternately, a surgical mask or one of the respiratory protection masks recommended for various construction and laboratory tasks would help to screen out particulate matter that might be in the air. To protect your airway, masks need to be fitted snugly over the mouth and nose.

The Army Handbook on Medical Management of Biological Casualties recommends that medical personnel attending patients infected with most biowarfare agents employ what is known as "standard precautions." This term essentially means wearing a surgical mask and gloves. Standard precautions are effective against anthrax, brucellosis, Q fever, tularemia, viral encephalitis, botulinum toxin, and Staphylococcal enterotoxin b.

Should citizens stockpile antibiotics?

NO. Keeping a stockpile of antibiotics is, in short, a bad idea. While antibiotics would be used to treat individuals who might fall ill during a disease outbreak, the use of these medications should always be done at the direction of a physician. People who self-medicate themselves or their children could very well do more harm than good. Overuse of antibiotics, as well as their misuse (to treat illnesses such as colds), is harmful as it reduces the ability of these drugs to work in serious health emergencies.

The US government keeps a cache of antibiotics and other medical supplies that can arrive in an area in which an outbreak has occurred within 12 hours.

What precautions can citizens take with their water supply?

Poisoning of a city's water supply is much more easily said than done. However, citizens can protect themselves by boiling their drinking water, which will kill any microorganisms that may have survived the municipal filtration systems. Another option is to use a personal water filtration system.

Where should citizens turn for instructions in the event of a chemical or biological disaster?

The electronic and print media can be very useful sources of information, especially when events are developing at a rapid pace. However, reporters can occasionally pass along faulty or inaccurate information. Local, state, and national public health, public safety, and emergency management officials would be the most reliable sources of information. As soon as the circumstances are understood, these officials will call press conferences to convey accurate information and instructions to the public. Subsequent press conferences will be called as frequently as possible to update the public about the steps that local, state, and federal government organizations are taking to address the situation and what individuals can do to help themselves and their fellow citizens. In a genuine disaster, the Emergency Broadcast System would also probably be employed to give instructions to citizens.



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To: PsyOp
How long a period of time is fallout a danger?
81 posted on 10/05/2001 9:32:35 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: PsyOp
Let me get more specific. I am 15-20 miles from an Army base on a FEMA map. Generally, the wind is blowing toward that site from my home.
82 posted on 10/05/2001 9:40:12 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
http://www.webpal.org/ This site seems to be quite helpful and informative
83 posted on 10/05/2001 9:57:29 PM PDT by DOC HOLLYWOOD
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To: cyberwatcher
Is my question so stupid that no one wants to reply? LOL
84 posted on 10/05/2001 9:57:57 PM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: RightWhale
Thanks for the tips. And you're exactly correct about all that good information in the '50's! Actually, we recently moved to the country - outside Houston - and feel like this area would be relatively safe. Indeed, I am storing canned goods and we have extra gas for the grill. Community is served by a water well and we have a propane tank for gas. Electricity is another story...

I figure we may end up with lots of "guests" if the city is hit and I'm planning for that.

Stay safe

85 posted on 10/05/2001 10:31:50 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Bump for later perusal!!
86 posted on 10/05/2001 10:34:20 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: George from New England
What are you gonna do...live inside the refrigerator?

LOL!!! I guess I set myself up for that one!

87 posted on 10/05/2001 10:35:22 PM PDT by Humidston
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
From my experience with nuclear warfare weapons systems, I will tell you that you should be far, far more concerned and afraid of the unleashing of biological and chemical warfare than nuclear or tactical nuclear warfare. Nuclear war is devastating, no doubt about it. Biological and chemical warfare, due to their comparably simple construction, production, and dissemination are catastrophic. And, if the enemy has either or any of these weapons capability, no weapon in the US strategic arsenal, should be excluded.
88 posted on 10/05/2001 10:50:13 PM PDT by Imperial Warrior
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To: Arleigh
Laying down and dying is for liberals ... not freepers and conservatives.

I am having a bad brain day! Too many people got killed because of this murdering ba%tard and its just like rape to me! And whats even worse, we have these "Peace Makers" who want us to be raped some more, and it makes my conservative heart ache for America is decaying, and all for the "ROOT OF ALL 'evils'", which is money, power, and politics! Dead people just don't seem to matter, and its Americas own!

89 posted on 10/05/2001 11:22:27 PM PDT by Grassontop
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To: GOPJ
What if your city was the ONLY city hit?

If my little city was hit, I would be splattered for many miles. Besides, for me to die, I would be with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! So, I would have a different life and there won't be no more wars, terrorists, rapists, liars, and all those evil things which our world has in which we make the choices between good and evil.

90 posted on 10/05/2001 11:30:53 PM PDT by Grassontop
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To: GVNR
This is what my wife said and it says it all for me as well!

On September 11, 2001, America was violently "raped" by a faceless "mass murderer". We as a nation are greatly saddened as we learn that as a result of this vicious "rape", there are now "products of conception" growing within the "womb" of this nation. The conceived has been given the name "Peace Protestor". As the Peace Protestor grows and its movements are felt deep within us, we are sickened that it could possibly even exist at such an unplanned and unwanted time of terror. We are further enraged that it was conceived by violent rape. The victim, America, is so young and innocent and unsuspecting that such an act could even occur. We can not bear to have this unwanted "product" grow within us. In this extreme case surely it is one of those rare exceptions where "abortion" IS acceptable and even medically indicated to save the life of the mother- America. The pain of bearing this within us any longer is too great. We must act soon to abort it before it gets too big. WAIT! What are we saying? Are we not Pro-Life? We do not believe in abortion for ANY reason no matter how unplanned, unwanted or unhealthy the conception is...even rape.

We, this time reluctantly, are still Pro-Life....
Life of the Unborn......
Life of the Constitution.....
and even Life of the "Peace Protestor" growing within the body of this nation

post by Mrs Grassontop

91 posted on 10/05/2001 11:42:24 PM PDT by Grassontop
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To: DCPatriot
Ain't never gonna to happen.....IF we properly scare the living sh*t out of the entire Middle East and China.

I seem to remember you saying this after we bombed Serbia. It would appear that the terrorists who just killed 5000+ people in the US weren't impressed with our great victory over the Serbs.

Speaking of which, do you still support our alliance with these Bin Laden terrorists?

92 posted on 10/06/2001 8:30:20 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: Milosevic2
Thanks for the humor break.
93 posted on 10/06/2001 9:42:40 AM PDT by moonhawk
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To: Balto_Boy
"...I seem to remember you saying this after we bombed Serbia. It would appear that the terrorists who just killed 5000+ people in the US weren't impressed with our great victory over the Serbs."

Please don't twist my words, Balt_Boy.

I called for LIMITED, low-grade nuclear strikes in Serbia, if the alternative was to go in there on the ground with American Boys and Girls to do the fighting.

I still maintain that 1 American Life is worth 1000 of theirs.

By my calculation, the Muslim Terrorists owe us a half million +, Muslim casualities.

Secondly, if we had nuked Yugoslavia, do you think these crazed bastards would have done what they did on 9/11? Don't think so.

Just as I believe the sooner Afghanistan glows in the dark the better for all Americans.

94 posted on 10/06/2001 10:42:16 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: DCPatriot
Please don't twist my words, Balt_Boy.

I've done no such thing, as your response below shows.

I called for LIMITED, low-grade nuclear strikes in Serbia...

In support of Bin Laden's KLA?

By my calculation, the Muslim Terrorists owe us a half million +, Muslim casualities?

Muslin terrorist casualties, or Muslin casualties.

Secondly, if we had nuked Yugoslavia, do you think these crazed bastards would have done what they did on 9/11? Don't think so.

If we had nuked Yugoslavia over genocide in Kosovo that the UN just ruled did not occur and a refugee crisis that hadn't occurred until after we attacked, then we would be the crazed bastards. And knowing what a bunch of crazed bastards we are, you can bet that anyone looking to attack would make sure their first attacks, whether nuclear, bio, or chem, would finish the job.

Just as I believe the sooner Afghanistan glows in the dark the better for all Americans.

Oh great. We create Bin Laden into what he is, support his KLA even after he attacked us, and now you want to kill civilians, many of whom oppose the Taliban, over the monster we created.

95 posted on 10/06/2001 11:00:24 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: DCPatriot
Clarification. When I posted "Muslin terrorist casualties, or Muslin casualties.", I meant to ask if you meant 500,000 Muslim terrorist casualties or 500,000 Muslim casualties.
96 posted on 10/06/2001 11:04:49 AM PDT by Balto_Boy
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To: RightWhale
Good points. Our people need to know how to prepare before it happens.

. If everybody prepares to some degree now, we'll do a lot better in the aftermath. Even if we are 1/2 a continent away we'll be affected to some degree. If there are 2, it won't be twice as bad, it will be extremely dislocating.

97 posted on 10/06/2001 1:08:38 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I'm from the "duck and cover" generation. Even then, we had other sources of information that told us in no uncertain terms what death by irradiation would be like.

We also had "grammar."

Way back in the dark ages, teachers apprised of the difference between a noun and a verb. "Effect" as opposed to "Affect." Review your own posted headlines.

Why is this important? Because schools have been "dumbed down" so much in the last 20 years, I can't trust ANYONE who graduated after 1980, and it's their SPELLING that gives them away!

If you can't even spell with SpellCheck, which your predecessors didn't have, why should I believe anything you say?

Or maybe it's me. Maybe I just have middle-age gastritis. Blame it on me, or whoever or whatever you want. Just don't present college-level ideas to me with 6th-grade composition and expect me to take you seriously.

98 posted on 10/06/2001 3:03:10 PM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: GOPJ
Will an EMP knock out the chips in a car so the car can't go?

On newer cars that is a possibility. However, if the something happens ot the cars computer, most are designed to run in what is called default mode. Its hard to tell what the effects would be. Alot depends on how close to blast you are and whether the device is detonated at ground level or up in the atmosphere. Anything American made and built before 1980 should be good to go. I for one have a 63 Thunderbird with a 390ci big-block.- Screw the Arabs!

99 posted on 10/06/2001 8:23:57 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: cyberwatcher
How long a period of time is fallout a danger?

Depends. A terrorist weapon is likely to be detonated at ground level, which is going to make it real dirty - throwing lots of debris in the air. The Bigger the bomb, the more debris. Know the prevailing winds in your area. If you are reletively close (25-50 miles) to the blast site, move laterally out of the wind channel the fallout will track on and then get up wind.

The duration of fallout danger depends on how high into the atmosphere the debris kicked up by the bomb is injected as well as weather conditions. If something like this happens, those familiar with the weather channel are going to have a leg up avoiding it.

Depending on the tonnage of the bomb and where and how it is detonated, Fallout danger could range from a week to months, and could be anything from a local, to national or international problem.

100 posted on 10/06/2001 8:35:48 PM PDT by PsyOp
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