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National Review Online ^ | 10/3/01 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 10/03/2001 11:35:13 AM PDT by BamaG

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To: BamaG
Jonah Goldberg had the good manners to reply to my e-mail personally.
While not going into details, he hinted at the above reasoning.
More then likely I will renew my subscription, while also praying for Ann.
Perhaps there is some spiritual warfare going on that she needs help with, and only God has that remedy.
41 posted on 10/03/2001 11:56:17 AM PDT by Psalm 73
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To: BamaG
This is more of the same old self important conservative politics as usual. There are thousands of bright well informed people in this country who's opinions are just as valuable as Coulter's or Goldberg's. These people do not report news, they give their opinions on it, and for that they are elevated to a super star status complete with groupies. These cat fights are boring, and consume way to much time, and should be part of new class of topic on FR known as "conservative tabloidism."
42 posted on 10/03/2001 11:56:53 AM PDT by 101viking
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To: father_elijah
Come on....asking Jonah to write serioulsy is like asking a cat to knit a sweater.

Yeah, he'll bat the yarn around a bit, but in the end it just ends up being a big tangled mess.

43 posted on 10/03/2001 11:57:44 AM PDT by francisandbeans
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To: The Other Harry
They'll be getting more than what they're paying for, I'm sure."

A compliment? I think so and a pretty civil way to end the piece.

44 posted on 10/03/2001 11:57:50 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm not touching that one.
45 posted on 10/03/2001 12:00:25 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: BamaG
It's no surprise to hear a thinking conservative say "The problem with Ann's first column was its sloppiness of expression and thought." What's surprising is how fiercely some Freepers resist acknowledging the fact. Some of the things I've seen posted in defence of Ann on FR call to mind the NRO's comment that "Coulter wrote a long, rambling rant of a response to her critics that was barely coherent." Other things I've seen posted call to mind NRO's comment that "Listening to Ann legalistically dodge around trying to explain all this would have made Bill Clinton blush." Mabye Ann's incoherence and inability to distinguish between emoting and thinking are acceptable to some. But my guess is that it's not so much a matter of it being acceptable as it being unrecognizable. YMMV.
46 posted on 10/03/2001 12:00:28 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: BamaG
Ann wins with me.

Jonah Goldberg has some nerve to criticize Coulter as a writer. His columns are self-indulgent and dull, and I have given him too many chances already. I start to read his column, and he rambles about his personal life -- rambling just doesn't do it for me. He can't seem to make a strong point, or, when he does, he loses the reader after paragraph one, so what he says in paragraphs five and six don't matter.

Goldberg always seems to forget one of the paramount rules of a good writer:

"Just because it happened to you, doesn't make it interesting."

Coulter, on the other hand, focuses outwards in her writing, very seldom on herself. She may have flown off the handle recently, but she has written way too much great material to "write her off" like Goldberg did.

She doesn't need Goldberg, anyway. She will always have an audience, and anyone who picks up her column will do well.

48 posted on 10/03/2001 12:00:54 PM PDT by Silly
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To: TLBSHOW
So, does this remove for you your ban on NR? Or will you keep up the fight? Let us know.
49 posted on 10/03/2001 12:01:01 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: BamaG
To girly-boy Goldberg -- what about your proposal to invade, conquer and bring "civilization" to Africa?

Damn you, you girly-boy hypocrit. I will never again purchase National Review so long as you remain affiliated with it, and I am a former subscriber!

50 posted on 10/03/2001 12:02:59 PM PDT by Jay W
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To: BamaG
Those who worship at the alter of Ann will continue to make "girly boy" comments

I'm not going to "alter," and I ain't no "girly boy," pal. Ann, you can "pump me up" anytime!

51 posted on 10/03/2001 12:03:44 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: lady lawyer
The attempts at self-justification on both sides just make them look small.

Yep.

52 posted on 10/03/2001 12:04:39 PM PDT by borkrules
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To: BamaG
Those who worship at the alter of Ann will continue...

Ann has an alter?
And who might that be?

53 posted on 10/03/2001 12:04:43 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: BamaG
Not that anyone cares, but I have quite a few things I want to say about this.

1. Ann Coulter got a lot of attention because of her appearance - not her brains. If you actually LISTEN to her, she says the same things over and over and over and over.. well, you get the idea. She understands the Constitution - well, big deal - lots of people do. Remember Betsy whats-her-name, the FORMER Lt. Gov. of NY who suddenly became a Clinton defender during impeachment? She too was always a Constitutional scholar. Well, Betsy and Ann didn't agree on a thing - it was politics they were arguing, not the Constitution. The Constitution was argued in the Courts and we won some and lost some. The Supreme Court has weighed in and I think their decision will stand.

2. Ann is not very professional. The hair and the mini skirts get a lot of attention, but for all the wrong reasons. No professional woman would go to work looking like this. I have asked quite a few men about her, and most found her too skinny and loud - all hair, no substance.

3. If Susan Estrich wrote that article about the death of one of her good friends, we would have a collective fit. Grief is not an excuse to write indefensible things and expect management support. Barbara Olson had a lot of friends, but I sure didn't see articles such as this from THEM.

4. Ann is doing exactly what so many of us hate - she's being a VICTIM!!! She's also being vindictive - how many of you could get by with calling your bosses 'girly boys'? That's insulting and not the mark of an articulate, intelligent professional person. If she wants to express her opinions about them, then let her do it on a forum such as this.

5. Jonah Goldberg is funny and has a way with words. Do I agree with him about everything? Of course not. I like Rich Lowery. I also know without William F. Buckley there likely would not BE a major Conservative movement in this country.

6. The Geraldo's of the world will make good opportunity to denounce those 'petty, mean spirited' conservatives. If Ann isn't careful, she's going to be David Brock in a skirt.

7. There are many bright, articulate and attractive Conservative women who do a better job than Ann, IMHO ... Monica Crowley, Hearther Nauert, Laura Ingraham, etc.

54 posted on 10/03/2001 12:04:43 PM PDT by SmartBlonde
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To: The Other Harry
I don't think the column served any purpose that as public punch-back.

Make that "scratch-back". Meooow!

Poor little Jonah. First Coulter accuses him of being a "girly man" and then he comes right out and proves her right.

55 posted on 10/03/2001 12:05:45 PM PDT by Aristophanes
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To: Justin Raimondo
Uh, What was the stupid part ?
56 posted on 10/03/2001 12:06:04 PM PDT by prov1813man
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To: Silly
I like Jonah for the reasons you state. If I want Gerge Will, I'll read Geroge Will. I like Jonah for his inclusiveness of his audience. Sometimes it's like reading an email from a friend, I think that's his MO
57 posted on 10/03/2001 12:06:20 PM PDT by francisandbeans
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To: Right Wing Professor
he should have edited out the cattiness in this column. It's, well, unmanly.

You mean like the "thin blonde line.." cuteness?

58 posted on 10/03/2001 12:07:14 PM PDT by Publius6961
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To: BamaG
They had an ABSOLUTE right to drop her. She had an ABSOLUTE right to say what she did and Front Page Magazine has an ABSOLUTE right to hire her. I also have have an ABSOLUTE right to listen to her on Michael Medved's radio show in a few minutes. Ann=ANTI PC! GO ANN!
59 posted on 10/03/2001 12:07:16 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: BamaG
"Crappy writing"? Ann Coulter? Crazy, arguably, but crappy? I think not.
60 posted on 10/03/2001 12:07:48 PM PDT by Sloth
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