Posted on 10/03/2001 9:38:09 AM PDT by malakhi
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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 154
3) 2 Cor.10:11 Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.
Paul told the Church at Corinth that that the letters which they had read to them , were the same as them being there in person, and when he said” we” it referred only to the known apostles and approved apostles, and no one else.
4. It was not restricted to written words only, but the verbal word as well, but since men hear everything through different perceptions, only the actual written word could be used for proof and reproof.
1 Thess 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Can a man prove anything by verbal words only? Who among us constantly cry out, “where is your source, prove it.”
And PNAMBC Says Catholics are good at spinning!
If "Scripture Alone" is not scripture alone what is it?
How would you define it? Would your definition differ from another person’s definition? Do you see a problem here?
Granted there was confusion. When you consider the fact Constantine didn’t legalize Christianity until 312 A.D. we can see how difficult it would have been for a Church Council to convene before then. We also need to take into account that travel and communication were not easily accomplished during that time period.
5) How do we know who wrote them? They are in harmony with each other, and when they were written there were many still alive that were able to read what they had written and could testify to whether or not they supported the contents of the writings, and if it was a true portrayal of the events, and if the ones credited with writing them were really the same ones. Those reading the different letters in the Churches knew the writers personally, wouldn’t they recognize a fraud.
If years from now some one wrote a history of the Twin Towers destruction, and we who have lived during it could judge whether or not it was true, and if many arose and disclaimed it as a lie, the book would die a quick death.
For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;
KJV, I assume? The RSV gives:
For we write you nothing but what you can read and understand; I hope you will understand fully,
This is a command from Jesus to write the Gospels? If anything it is an argument for a continuing apostlehood, a succession of apostolic authority, a magisterium. "we write you nothing but what you can read and understand" This can mean that there is much more to be taught but that it is not easy for all to "read and understand"
The apostle Paul was approved by the same apostles that were taught by Christ, meaning he had the same authority as they, and since they all represented Christ, it was the same as Christ himself saying it.
The apostle Paul was approved by the same apostles that were taught by Christ, therfore Paul had the same authority as they did? Are you sure you're not arguing for apostolic succession?
SD
6) If a writer was not part of the original 12, or involved with them individually, or was not made known to the readers and acknowledged them as authentic, or if even then, they taught an obvious doctrine that was in conflict with the known writings, they should not be accepted as anything other then interesting observations.
We disagree on the interpretation of Acts 15. Peter did end the debate.
Would you be insulted if I said this is a rediculous question?
No. Should I reword so it would be easier for you to answer? How about this.
15) Since each non Catholic Christian must admit that his or her interpretation is fallible, how can any Protestant in good conscience call anything heresy or bind another Christian to a particular belief?
7) Of course there is no list, just as there was no list of the OT books until men got together under Gods direction, (willing or not willing) and made one.
Neither could it be finalized until they were all produced and then compared for content.
8) The same way the Jews know that what Moses wrote 3500 years ago are still their spiritual compass today.
You live in Wisconsin and you don't follow hockey? You're practically in the hotbed of amateur American hockey right there. Quebec moved to Colorado and was renamed the Avalanche about 5-7 years ago. Thought I'd yank Steven's chain a bit if he's a hockey fan (and when you're town is winning Cups you almost have to be.)
Hockey is a game that is hard to understand unless you watch a game with someone who understands the rules and nuances. It's very difficult to pick up by yourself. And it's a game that is immensly better in person than it is on TV. You get to yell at the players and the refs. Especially the refs. In no other sport are the refs known by name and their introduction on the PA can cause an entire arena to groan. A few years back the NHL actually took the names of the refs OFF of the jerseys. Where else on God's green (er, white) earth can you stand up in public and yell "Hit 'em with your purse!" to a sissy boy trying to be tough? Where else can you give nuggets of wisdom to the players like "Shoot!" and "Hit Somebody!"?
SD
9) Pure Godly truth never changes and God knew that for the next several thousands years after the death of the apostles there had to be a base of truth for his people to rely on as a foundation of their belief, and through the apostle Paul dealing with the new Gentile church, and recording it, that this would serve as our example, and anything that fell out side of those examples are not biblical, but acceptable if all agree on the change and as long as they don’t go against the clear intent of the written word.
I think to the Army, as to most people, there are three types of Christians - Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant. You more or less have to pick one. Since you did personally leave the Catholic Church you must have objected to something or you wouldn't have left. This is classic first-person protest. You protest their belief by not going there.
SD
10) It’s claim is by example, those who do not take it as sole authority and come up with their own doctrine and beliefs have problems that reflect their wrong decisions, such as the inquisition and the acceptance of falsified writings that bring a cloud of mistrust and suspicion that can sometimes never be erased.
11) Most of the books of the New Testament were written to address very specific problems in the early Church, and none of them are a systematic presentation of Christian faith and theology. On what biblical basis do Protestants think that everything that the apostles taught is captured in the New Testament writings?
11) Because I have yet to see a salvation matter that can not be found in the Bible. All other matters are simply those of individual preference and we each decide what ones are important to us, even Catholics, but since most are told what is important to them as infants, when they get older they find these things are still important to them, but it is not from freedom of choice, but from infant brainwashing.
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