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To: Havoc;JHavard
We have the Bible for that and it does a pretty good job of pointing out the errors all by its lonesome, and it's noteworthy to comment that it gets attacked too.

Well guys, if you really believe that, you should easily be able to answer my questions from Post #32 on the previous thread. By answering those questions, it should clear up any doubt regarding your sola scriptura position.

12 posted on 10/02/2001 5:22:37 PM PDT by pegleg
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To: pegleg
Well guys, if you really believe that, you should easily be able to answer my questions from Post #32 on the previous thread.

This sounds like fun, are we going to compare results with your answers to Big Mack's questions to you on T-153, P-#4 ? Who is going to grade them, angelo?

13 posted on 10/02/2001 5:39:31 PM PDT by JHavard
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To: pegleg
sola scriptura position.

First, glad to see you back Pegleg. I have been busier than a one legged man the past couple of days and I must have overlooked your presence. LOL.

Now down to business. Sola Scriptura is a huge red herring. People who put final authority in God's word Do Not believe that the Bible itself is the only authority. I believe that the Bible and God serve together as the final arbiter of anything. And I believe that Pastors and teachers have a place so long as what they teach lines up with the word of God (as the Bible says). But they each answer both to God and to their congregations. If a congregation doesn't reign in a Pastor or teacher they know to be in error, they are responsible for it. The congregation is as responsible for what their Pastors and teachers utter to them as the men speaking - this is what the Bible says.

The Bible also Says that Jesus is the head of the Congregation - not any man. God tried to lead his people in the OT times and the people Cried out 'give us a King like the other nations to lead us'. When he did, the men who became King screwed it up royally. When God put Jesus over his people in the NT, it's not surprising that someone would shout 'give us a king'. But, God had already spoken from experience at length on the subject and told us He is the King - the leader of his people. And Biblically, any man trying to usurp that position makes of himself the haughty Angel that would raise his throne above that of God. Theres probably still a heal print on his backside and a defined impact point where he hit the planet when his butt was kicked out of heaven. The usurper in the flesh will suffer much the same fate - you might read Revelation; because it says so rather pointedly.

Can I get an Amen from the cheap seats?

15 posted on 10/02/2001 6:04:09 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: pegleg
1) Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?

Red herring. You know how frustrated you get when Proddies claim you're worshipping Mary? Kinda how we feel when you distort sola scriptura as you do by asking a "have you stopped beating your wife" question. The premise of the question is false. We do not teach that Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book. Only that the book (the Bible) is all that's necessary for the regula fidei.

78 posted on 10/02/2001 10:53:56 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: pegleg
5) How do we know who wrote the books that we call Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Hebrews, and 1, 2, and 3 John?

It is not necessary to know the author nor the color of his last bowel movement to declare a book authoritative or inspired.

79 posted on 10/02/2001 10:55:40 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: pegleg
10) Where does the Bible claim to be the sole authority for Christians in matters of faith and morals?

This is merely a slight variation of question 1. Red herring.

80 posted on 10/02/2001 10:57:09 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: pegleg
13) If the meaning of the Bible is so clear, so easily interpreted, and if the Holy Spirit leads every Christian to interpret it rightly, then why are there over 20,000 Protestant denominations, and millions of individual Protestants, all interpreting the Bible differently?

If you can name over 200 I'll give you a 5 dollar bill. And doesn't the Catholic church allow for different interpretations in certain matters? Certainly most of the different interpretations of Proddies (if you were to be honest with yourself) fall in these areas.

84 posted on 10/02/2001 11:03:50 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: pegleg
18) If the Bible is the only foundation and basis of Christian truth, why does the Bible itself say that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Tim. 3:15)?

At least you ended where you started, with the same faulty presuppositions about sola scriptura.

85 posted on 10/02/2001 11:05:19 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: pegleg
And finally, I'll give you my 10 million (fake) dollar challenge.

Quote one bit of theological oral tradition from the first century AD.

86 posted on 10/02/2001 11:08:31 PM PDT by the808bass
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