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Americans saying with wallet, "We feel safer when armed"
Evansville Courier & Press ^ | September 29, 2001 | Scripps Howard News Service

Posted on 09/29/2001 4:29:48 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR

Gun sale resurgence: Americans saying with wallet, "We feel safer when armed"

Scripps Howard News Service

Keeping up with the changes in the political landscape as America girds for war could give a person whiplash. The old bedrock assumptions about defense and domestic spending, rights to "privacy" and the operation of law enforcement, even opinions on criminal profiling, are changing with lightning speed.

So, too, has there been another, perhaps little-noted shift: our view of guns. I should say the fashionable circle's view of guns. After all, there are some 200 million firearms in the United States, the vast majority of which are legally owned.

Nevertheless, every time there is any kind of an assault with firearms against innocents, we inevitably hear that more gun control is the "answer" because, according to these folks, guns are the root of all crime and mayhem. Usually there's an attempt, often successful, at more gun-control initiatives.

Then came the horror of Sept. 11. What few have ventured to point out is that in this entire calamitous crime, throughout this act of war and terrorism like our country has never seen before, not a single gun was used. So much for seeing guns as the problem, and gun control as the solution.

Americans want to feel safer, and they want to protect their children, which is why this time they are emptying gun stores, fast. Six eastern states, presumably those with populations who feel most vulnerable as a result of the recent attacks and including several, such as New York, that have lead the way in strictly controlling guns, report that gun sales are soaring. And don't you know that more than a few of the purchasers, who would have been aghast at such a thought just a few weeks ago, are sheepishly purchasing them?

No, guns may not exactly protect their carriers against terrorists - then again, they might - but people are voting with their wallets. And they are saying they feel safer with guns than with those who would "protect" them by limiting or ending their ability to get a firearm. We may be witnessing a change from "gun as menace" to "gun as marvel" mentality. Consider the call for sky marshals on airlines, and now the plea from the Airline Pilots Association that pilots be allowed to pack heat during flights. I'm not exactly sure how the pilots would both fend off hijackers with a firearm and fly the plane, but I think the larger point is one of deterrence.

People everywhere, including criminals and even suicidal hijackers, at some level make rational calculations. If the hijackers had thought for a moment that anyone on the plane was at all likely to be armed and ready to use a gun, they almost certainly would not have attempted their deed, simply out of knowledge their plot would fail.

Talk of arming pilots and the extent to which we're putting air marshals on planes may be one reason they will almost certainly not attempt this particular route of terrorism again. They will likely try other avenues to terrorism against which guns may not deter.

But the larger point is that in times of peace and prosperity, society has the luxury of turning down its collectively turned-up nose on those who would protect themselves and their families with firearms. But in time of war, reality and self-preservation surface.

When the smoke clears, we'll notice something else on the new political landscape: that it will be a long, long time before Gun Control Inc. dares to advocate curbs on the Second Amendment again.


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To: TightSqueeze
>>Got it down to two either a Glock 17 or Beretta 92, I am leaning towards the Beretta, comments and advice welcomed.

I had the same two choices when I was shopping (when I thought Clinton was going to cancel the 2nd amendment and I better hurry up). The problem was that the semi's need care and cleaning due to the moving parts. The salesmen told me if it was going to be in a drawer most of it's life(it was and has been) then just get a revolver rather than a sexy gun. Which I did. It is still unopened (an emotional purchase at the time).

101 posted on 09/30/2001 5:42:01 PM PDT by The Raven
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To: TERMINATTOR
Proud new parents of a Ruger Mini-14 checking in here! Add that to our .44 Magnum, our 9 mm semi-automatic pistol, a couple of single-shot rifles (for scaring rabbits and vermin and such)and an inherited .38 with a story (a wounded county sheriff's boot gun that put 5 bullets into his attempted killer back in the 1950's--the scum lived, got the NAACP or the ACLU to sue said sheriff and the county hospital, lost the case, and died just a few months ago).
102 posted on 09/30/2001 5:54:27 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: tet68;All
Check out www.milsurpshooter.net there is a world of information out there.

This Yugo was one of two the store had,it initially looked the worse of the two,the stock had a couple of gouges and the action was covered in cosmo and the bore was nasty looking,the other one was fairly clean and had a nice stock.

Then I realized that this one was ALL MATCHING NUMBERS,the other was a parts gun (made up of assorted parts).

After much cleaning and work this one is a real beauty,the bore looks unfired,and I've learned a whole lot about gunsmithing.(Tricks like stoning the cocking cam,locking lugs,carrier surfaces,how to make the bore come clean and honed up to mirror bright,haven't tried the "50 cent bore cleaner" yet but can't wait to try that one.)

Really looking forward to getting my C&R,just the though of buying stuff at dealer cost and having it delivered to my door via UPS is what dreams are made of.
And all for $30.

103 posted on 09/30/2001 5:54:42 PM PDT by tet68
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To: tet68
I've got this old .303 british which I've had forever. It shot pretty good, until I recently started attacking it with every cleaning solution I could find. I've tried Sweets 7.62, J-B bore compound, Bore Scrubber, Hoppe's Benchrest and No.9, and probably a few others I've forgotten. I've got about half of the black crud out of it so far. I'm hopeing that if I can get it all out, the accuracy will come back. What's the hot setup for getting this grunge out? What's this 50 cent bore cleaner?
104 posted on 09/30/2001 6:49:19 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TightSqueeze
My first gun was a Beretta 92FS 9 mm (done in black; very elegant; popularized by Mel Gibson in LETHAL WEAPON and Bruce Willis in DIE HARD) that I bought during the Rodney King riots in Lost Angeles while in Grad School (15 rounds + 1 chambered). This is still my home protection device.

I now live in Virginia and went through the Concealed Carry classes offered at the local gun range (finger printing, etc., etc.). My concealed carry weapon is a Beretta 84F (9 mm Short or .380; 13 rounds + 1 chambered) done in Nickel with a Walnut handel. VERY pretty! I have a "small-of-the-back" holster.

My major advice is:

1) Go to a gun show or a shop and HANDLE a lot of guns......it has to feel good in YOUR hands and should not be too big OR small for your grip. Also, a womans hands are not the same size as a man's......will there be two of you using it?

2) Wheelie vs. Semiauto- Wheellies ARE more reliable....less moving parts and no worry of jamming at the crucial moment. Semi-autos give more firepower but are more complicated to the newbie.

3) Buy a QUALITY gun. You don't want a jam or a mechanical breakdown at the wrong time!!!!!!!

Remember....your life, your family's lives AND the idiot that came-crawling-through-your-basement-window life depends on it.

105 posted on 09/30/2001 7:54:10 PM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: DoctorMichael
Go to a gun show or a shop and HANDLE a lot of guns......it has to feel good in YOUR hands and should not be too big OR small for your grip. Also, a womans hands are not the same size as a man's......will there be two of you using it?

Took your advice and just got back from the gun shop. Handled a lot of guns including Beretta, Glock and Kimber. When the salesman handed me the Beretta Model 92 FS Brigadier, I knew my search had ended, the gun was made for my hand, now to find the best price, his price seemed a little steep $679.00. Thanks again

106 posted on 10/01/2001 9:42:00 AM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: TERMINATTOR
Gun Control Inc. dares to advocate curbs on the Second Amendment again.

Unfortunately - not true. The Brady beast was pushing her usual anti-gun agenda on 9/12.

107 posted on 10/01/2001 9:48:32 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: LibKill
A well placed shot with a .22 beats a complete miss from a .44 mag.

. . . .My rifle and I know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst,
nor the smoke we make.
We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit . . . .

108 posted on 10/01/2001 9:58:21 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: TERMINATTOR
ANYTHING that pushes on the trigger will fire it, branch, key, pen, holster, etc

IF it happened to push so that the trigger safety was depressed, maybe ... more likely I suspect you're just one of the anti-Glock people with the usual spiel.

Glock 19 plus Fobus holster = Perfection.

109 posted on 10/01/2001 10:05:58 AM PDT by No.6
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To: snippy_about_it
ive owned 2 glocks for roughly 7 years. im not sure why anyone is letting "items" depress the trigger. it is after all the TRIGGER. its function is to fire the weapon. branches??? keys??? holsters??? just how are these people carrying their weapons?????? anyway just depressing the tab on the trigger will not fire the weapon or at least it wont on either of mine. you must fully depress the trigger. for those that feel like the trigger pull is too light there is a modification available ...think its called the NY trigger ...basically a heavier pull is required to discharge the gun.
i like glocks cause they are SIMPLE and very rugged and i dont give a flying F what the gun looks like. i dont have 15 other "safety" devices to fumble with. i just use the simple rules of handling a firearm to guide my conduct. such as.....dont put your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to fire the weapon.
110 posted on 10/01/2001 10:17:22 AM PDT by choppersrule
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Very interesting to hear you say that, and I have to concur. Am in love with my Kimber Custom Target, and only ever had one part break (at least so far, 8000 rounds and counting) - and yep, sure enough, it was the extractor. Bought a Wilson on the spot and the smith popped it in for free and told me to get my butt back out there. Haven't had a problem since.

I have played with shock-buffs and haven't had a lot of luck - seems the slide won't lock back on the last round if I have a shock-buff on the guide rod. Went to a solid guide-rod, incidentally, because the two-piece sold with the gun kept unscrewing despite a little Lock-tite judiciously applied. Other than that the gun's stock and my, oh, my, does it shoot sweet...

111 posted on 10/01/2001 10:22:30 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: China Clipper
amen!!!!!!!! picked up the bulgarian about a year ago....what a gun. very rugged. i have an ar-15 as well but KISS principle is what i prefer. and as a bonus it looks very cool too. prices round these parts went up a bit on some items...but for the most part they were close to pre 9/11. i doubt they will stay that way if as we all suspect we have more attacks.
112 posted on 10/01/2001 10:25:17 AM PDT by choppersrule
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To: chainsaw
If you think a pilot with a gun is dangerous, just remember one thing

How deadly a couple of nuts with box cutters can be in among group of several hundred unarmed people.

. It has already be proved time after time in over 35 states in the past 15 years that decent law abiding everday CC citizens pose no threat to anyone but that element of society that would prey on the weak and helpless.

THe person that has the number one primary responsibilty for the safety and protection of you, your family and your country is YOU! Buy a firearm and learn how to use and care for it in a reasponsable and safe manner. Their are any number of hunters, shooters, clubs, friends, relatives, and some law-enforcement personel that will be more than happy to supply knowledge and instruction for you.The only thing that will stop an evil person with a weapon is a good person with one.

This was not directed at you chainsaw. Just preaching to the choir.

113 posted on 10/01/2001 10:48:29 AM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: TERMINATTOR
Look at www.milsurpshooter.net in the gunsmithing section

there are several things you can try,hyd peroxide and vinegar, or straight ammonia but don't leave it in for long.

The .50 cent bore cleaner is

Do-It-Yourself Electrochemical Bore Cleaner

Note it doesn't have to be this fancy,and I can't get the pic to post but basicly it's just a battery holder from radio shack attached to an electrode in your bore and electrolyte. Haven't tried this yet,mine is starting to respond to the peroxide and vinegar scrub but my problem is it is unissued and hasn't even been fired so have been cleaning and lapping with fine polish and it's starting to shine a bit,next step fire lapping. Thats where you rub some fine fine compound (Ive got some pure green chrome from my knife making supplies) on the rounds and then shoot them.
Amazing what you can learn on the net.

By Dann Eichner Originally published in American Gunsmith, Aug. 1998

Building the Unit To construct this unit for your shop or home use, start by getting the parts together. I use the local Radio Shack for my parts. All the part numbers are listed on the drawing.

First, orient the battery holder in the proper direction, with the + (positive) terminal in the lower left-hand corner. The red and black leads with the "snap" terminal are not needed, so cut them off and discard them. Next, mount the bulb socket, but it needs to be modified first. Push in on the center terminal of the socket with a convenient tool (like a pencil eraser) to extend the rivet at the bottom. Cut the rivet off, and remove it and the spring. This leaves a hollow eyelet in the bottom of the socket. This hole in the eyelet must be opened up to accept the 2-56 bolt. But don't drill it out. Using a small tapered drift, carefully expand the hole to fit the 2-56 bolt. The same must be done at the negative terminal where the bulb socket is mounted. Open the eyelet the same way and install the 2-56 bolt (head inside socket) through the socket and the spring ground terminal. Snug it up and cut off even at the nut.

The bulb is just a push-in fit. Squeeze the socket with your fingers to form a tight fit when the bulb is installed. Push it down until the center terminal touches the head of the bolt inside the socket. Open the package of clip leads and take out the red and black ones. Fold them in half and cut them giving you two each red and black leads 20 inches long. Strip the insulation off the ends of one black and one red and solder them to the places marked on drawing. There are two terminals on the socket body. Bend the other one against the bottom of the battery holder, out of the way, as the bolt through the rivet in the socket base replaces it.

Install the batteries making sure of the battery polarity, and short the black and red clips together. If the bulb lights brightly, all is well. If not, check all connections, battery polarity, bulb tightness, and so on until you have full brightness.

Mixing the Cleaning Solution

Mix 25 percent household ammonia, 25 percent white vinegar, and 50 percent distilled water for the bore-cleaning solution. I mix 1 pint of ammonia, 1 pint white vinegar, and 1 quart of distilled water in a polyethylene container. This is enough for many cleanings, and may be safely stored. Don't forget to label the solution properly.

Using the Unit

It is best to remove the barreled action from the stock. I use two cupped wooden blocks and clamp the barreled action to a bench in a well ventilated area of the shop. Clamp the barrel vertical and put a bucket underneath to catch any drippings. Plug the chamber with a rubber plug (a complete set is available from Brownells). [would a cork work just as well? – ed.]

I wrap a piece of rag around the barrel below the muzzle, and also put masking tape around the muzzle leaving a reservoir to catch solution that has bubbled out. A stainless-steel rod (diameter depending on bore size) long enough to protrude about 6 inches from the muzzle is fitted with 0-rings or small sections of rubber windshield-wiper hose. Slide them on the rod to insulate the rod from the inside of the barrel, but not tightly in the bore.

The solution must get all the way down to the chamber. With a large eye dropper (the infant feeding kind works well) fill the barrel with prepared cleaning solution. Now connect the black lead to the rod above the muzzle and the red lead somewhere to the action. The bulb should light dimly and bubbles should start at the muzzle showing reverse plating action has started. If bulb burns full brightness, the rod in the barrel is shorted (touching) inside, and must be repositioned until short is cleared. Keep in mind that the bulb must burn dimly for proper operation.

Replenish the solution in the muzzle as needed to keep the barrel full. As the barrel is cleaned, the bulb will grow dimmer and dimmer until it goes out completely. When this occurs, disconnect the black lead, remove the rod, and wipe off the crud with a wet rag. Then use steel wool to scour off the plated-on lead, copper, and rust. Caution; Use rubber gloves, as lead is poisonous as most gun people know

Reinstall the rod in barrel and reconnect black lead to the rod. Refill to the muzzle with solution if necessary. When bulb is completely out, the barrel is clean. Disconnect black lead, pop out the chamber plug with the rod, dumping the solution into a bucket to be disposed of properly.

If the barrel is exceptionally dirty, remove the solution and brush with bore brush. Refill and start again.

Conclusion

When the barrel is cleaned thoroughly, it's a great time to polish the inside of the bore with accepted methods, and coat with your favorite bore conditioner. It is like starting with a new bore all over again.

114 posted on 10/01/2001 11:39:15 AM PDT by tet68
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To: TERMINATTOR
Our freedom, security, and guns are inseparable.....


115 posted on 10/01/2001 11:52:48 AM PDT by J Jay
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To: ThomasJackson
Any President trying that would go down in history as starting the 2nd Revolution.

The government can't remove rights that are unalienable; the BOR enumerates our rights that are ours, governemnt or not.

prambo

116 posted on 10/01/2001 12:06:43 PM PDT by prambo
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To: TightSqueeze
Don't know much about the Beretta, but I have a Glock 17 and it's great. Simple, unbreakable, absolutely reliable.
117 posted on 10/01/2001 12:13:20 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: TERMINATTOR
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed." - Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

AMEN...

118 posted on 10/01/2001 12:18:02 PM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: LibKill
a complete miss from a .44 mag

That about sums up my experience with big wheel guns!

119 posted on 10/01/2001 12:40:16 PM PDT by Galatians513
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To: TERMINATTOR

Sig P232 380 ACP, loaded with:

CorBon 380 Auto +P 90gr JHP
Glaser Safety Slugs

Easy to carry, simple operation, and less worrisome than the Glock (since you can see by the hammer whether it's in shooting mode or not).

120 posted on 10/01/2001 12:46:12 PM PDT by angkor
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