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In New War on Terrorism, Words Are Weapons, Too (Defending bill maher)
NY TIMES ^ | 9-29-01 | by celestine Bohlen

Posted on 09/29/2001 11:32:57 AM PDT by quimby

by celestine Bohlen

The title of his show is "Politically Incorrect," which, until recently, was politically acceptable. But in a time when public discourse is constrained by barriers of taste, propriety and patriotism, the comments on Sept. 17 by the late-night talk show host Bill Maher were denounced as both incorrect and unacceptable by two major sponsors, a dozen affiliate stations and even the White House.

What Mr. Maher actually said was not that different from the comments of his guest that evening, Dinesh D'Souza, a conservative from the American Enterprise Institute, who quarreled with President Bush's characterization of the terrorists as cowards. "Not true," Mr. D'Souza said, according to a transcript. "Look at what they did. You have a whole bunch of guys who were willing to give their life; none of them backed out. All of them slammed themselves into pieces of concrete. These are warriors."

Mr. Maher replied: "We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."

But as it turns out, what you say is not half as important as where you say it. Similar comments had been aired on Slate.com, the Internet magazine, and in a short piece in The New Yorker by Susan Sontag, a prominent member of the New York intelligentsia.

Along with John Updike, Jonathan Franzen, Rebecca Mead, Roger Angell and other writers, Ms. Sontag had been asked to contribute her comments on the attacks to the magazine's opening Talk of the Town section in the Sept. 24 issue. In curt, dismissive tones, she took exception to what she called the "self-righteous drivel and outright deceptions" being broadcast on the airwaves. She went on to challenge the assumption that the country had witnessed a "cowardly" assault on "civilization" or "liberty"; rather, she wrote, it was an attack on "the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions."

"And if the word `cowardly' is to be used," she continued, "it might be more aptly applied to those who kill from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those willing to die themselves in order to kill others. In the matter of courage (a morally neutral virtue): whatever may be said of the perpetrators of Tuesday's slaughter, they were not cowards."

Like Mr. Maher, Ms. Sontag, too, came under attack, in particular from Charles Krauthammer, a columnist at The Washington Post, and John Podhoretz at The New York Post. Her comments were indeed the talk of the town, debated and dissected by other members of the intelligentsia, many disagreeing vigorously.

David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker, said the magazine received more than 100 letters in response, which, he observed, "is a heck of a lot." Most of them were angered by Ms. Sontag's questioning of the word "coward," he said. One letter will be published.

But that is a far cry from Mr. Maher's predicament. As the host of a television show that is watched by millions of viewers across the country and sponsored by national advertisers, Mr. Maher, not surprisingly, caused more of an uproar than The New Yorker, a New York-based magazine with a circulation of 851,000. First he watched as Federal Express and Sears withdrew their sponsorship of his show. Then he issued an apology and appeared on "The O'Reilly Factor" and the "Tonight " show to explain himself. Some ABC affiliates initially canceled "Politically Incorrect" and later put it back on the air, although not the station in Washington, where the White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, warned on Wednesday that "people have to watch what they say and watch what they do." (The White House later dropped the first half of that warning.)

Ms. Sontag, to be sure, has come in for her share of public criticism. Mr. Krauthammer called her "morally obtuse," while Mr. Podhoretz said she was a prime example of the "hate-America crowd," which he described as "dripping with contempt for the nation's politics, its leaders, its economic system and for their foolish fellow citizens."

Bruised by the criticism, Mr. Remnick defended his decision to offer writers "a forum to react to what had happened from a political point of view or a descriptive or emotional."

"So far as I can tell, part of what is under attack is American culture, and part of that culture is argument," he said.

Among linguists on the sidelines of such battles, there is little debate that the word "coward" is not applicable to the terrorists who piloted the four planes on Sept. 11. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary, a coward is "a person who lacks courage, especially one who is shamefully unable to control fear and so shrinks from danger or trouble."

If only they had been.


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Some cry censorship when conservatives disagree with the left. Its interesting how the author concludes this leftist drivel with a statement defending the terrorists as Not Cowardly (Thusly defending their hero maher).

It would seem, free discussion of ideas does not inclide opinions of conservatives.

What more proof do we need that our efforts are being felt and our opinions heard?

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1 posted on 09/29/2001 11:32:57 AM PDT by quimby
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To: quimby
Among linguists on the sidelines of such battles, there is little debate that the word "coward" is not applicable to the terrorists who piloted the four planes on Sept. 11. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary, a coward is "a person who lacks courage, especially one who is shamefully unable to control fear and so shrinks from danger or trouble."

How about an alternate definition: "A coward is a person who would forgo their goals rather than risk something they value." Since these cowards believe death is the ultimate honor, they risked nothing they value.

2 posted on 09/29/2001 11:39:29 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: quimby
Let me see....in the NY Times own words when they don't like the dissent.. How divisive...
What a hater....
Extremism on display...

This list could go on and on. I guess it all depends on whose doing the dissenting, what the subject is, and what the words are.

NYTimes = Censor Center

3 posted on 09/29/2001 11:42:54 AM PDT by W is for WINNER
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To: quimby
I do not like Maher. We are at war ... I think. Our foe would be stupid to attack us at our strength and by our rules. They are disciplined and determined. I do not think they are cowards, and I don't think calling them cowards helps our forces at all. I guess it helps us civilians to feel brave and to support further action.
4 posted on 09/29/2001 11:43:33 AM PDT by gjenkins
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To: NittanyLion
How about an alternate definition: "A coward is a person who would forgo their goals rather than risk something they value." Since these cowards believe death is the ultimate honor, they risked nothing they value.

This deserves to be repeated, every time left defends the cowards.

5 posted on 09/29/2001 11:45:59 AM PDT by quimby
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To: W is for WINNER
Good points. Only the "right wing extremists" can be accused of censorship.
6 posted on 09/29/2001 11:48:16 AM PDT by quimby
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To: gjenkins
Calling the terrorists "not cowardly" was not the statement that got him in trouble. It was the "WE ARE THE COWARDS" statement.

Keep your eye on the ball.

7 posted on 09/29/2001 11:52:36 AM PDT by quimby
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To: quimby
There would be no controversy had Maher used the pronoun "he" (as in William Jefferson Clinton) instead of "we". Maher just could bring his liberal heart to blaspheme his idol.

Maher knew in his heart it was a "he" but just couldn't get it out no matter how plain the truth. Oh well! The wages of sin are death.

8 posted on 09/29/2001 12:05:33 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: quimby

Being cowardly is showning fear

No one person is going to get this right, because it's not possible.

One could consider suicide the cowards way of not dealing with the consequences of their actions.
One could consider being cautious as cowardly.

It should be obvious that not taking on unnecessary risk is intelligent, not cowardly per se.
It should also be obvious that facing death when there are alternatives is also not cowardly.

There are no countries, coorporations, or gods.

There is only human behavior and it's consequences.
These other ideas are merely proxies for people with roughly similiar envelopes of behavior.
Using emotionally based concepts are meant solely to deal with persuading humans and affecting behavior.
It has little to do with the science of dealing with and limiting behavioral constructs that are dangerous.
9 posted on 09/29/2001 12:07:05 PM PDT by nanomid
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To: Amerigomag
WE are responsible for what our 'elected' government does wether it is a Clinton, Bush, North, Reno, ...
10 posted on 09/29/2001 12:12:17 PM PDT by gjenkins
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To: W is for WINNER
Exactly. Maher exercised his right to free speech, and so did I (when I emailed show sponsors to tell them they should drop their support). I guess in Jill's mind the only free speech that counts is the stuff coming from the "intelligentsia's" mouths.
11 posted on 09/29/2001 12:13:27 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: quimby
The bizarro world of liberals---no character--virtue--Truth...just lies--terror--evil--destruction--HATE!!

maniac(liberal-taliban-nazi)

Syllables: ma-ni-ac

Parts of speech: noun , adjective

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Pronunciation me ni aek

Definition 1. one who suffers from mania, or from insanity generally.

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Crossref. Syn. crazy

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Crazy people are unable to have or understand virtue--courage...don't even qualify for hypocrisy--humanity
(homo sapien means the ability to make a correct thought-decision-SOUL)!!

12 posted on 09/29/2001 12:13:55 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: quimby
Sorry, but as much as I dislike Maher, he was correct to call our pie-in-the-sky attack on Serbia cowardly. It was. Additionally, it was criminal.
13 posted on 09/29/2001 12:17:12 PM PDT by Anochka
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To: gjenkins
WE are responsible for what our 'elected' government does wether it is a Clinton, Bush, North, Reno, ...

Thats partly true. But the media deserves far more of the responsibility. They were the enablers. And maher was/is one od the more vocal clintton supporters.

Its ironic that if maher had actually made the statemnet "Clinton was the coward, loobing cruise missles" most would have stood up and cheered.

So one could say it is maher who is the coward.

14 posted on 09/29/2001 12:18:43 PM PDT by quimby
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To: Anochka
Sorry, but as much as I dislike Maher, he was correct to call our pie-in-the-sky attack on Serbia cowardly. It was. Additionally, it was criminal.

Maher was a coward for not naming names.

15 posted on 09/29/2001 12:20:04 PM PDT by quimby
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To: quimby
I agree with that completely.
16 posted on 09/29/2001 12:21:32 PM PDT by gjenkins
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To: f.Christian
Liberal speech is protected.

Conservative speech is "hate speech"

-NYTIMES

17 posted on 09/29/2001 12:22:23 PM PDT by quimby
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To: gjenkins
If you remember correctly "we the people" were outraged at Clinton's actions. The radical right was wispering "war crime" and the liberal left was muttering "unfortunate".

Our political system prevents the mob from taking control but to blame the mob no matter how esoterically is misguided.

No American that I spoke with regardless of political persuasian thought bombing an asprin factory and killing a janitor represented a curagoeus American decision.

18 posted on 09/29/2001 12:23:12 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: nanomid
Spoken as a true leftist.
19 posted on 09/29/2001 12:25:29 PM PDT by quimby
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To: Amerigomag
I would propose that when it happened most Americans gave it about 2 seconds of though and then dismissed it. Why? It must have been necessary, and there is really no way for us (citizens) to know the truth about it anyway.
20 posted on 09/29/2001 12:32:00 PM PDT by gjenkins
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