DC-10 Captain, a Police Officer, Talks Straight

Keep and Bear Arms ^ | September 26, 2001 | John Burnett

[fso301]

My only suggestion would be that at the beginning of each flight the captain should tell the passengers that in the event of hijacking he is ordering every passenger to make every effort to kill the hijacker by any means necessary

Actually, I disagree. The hijacker(s) should be attacked until they stop resisting. If they're still alive at such point, belts can be used to restrain them. By killing them, you give them the martyrdom they want. By keeping them alive, they may be able to sing for an interrogator.

Having them dead may be satisfying but alive they're of much greater intelligence value.

[Solitar]

Having them dead may be satisfying but alive they're of much greater intelligence value.

Do we need a "brig" on each aircraft to keep prisoners alive until they are interogated?

[vigilo]

"How about allowing law-abiding citizens who can pass a shooting accuracy test (3 yard shots) to conceal carry. Instruct them to "Israeli-style" carry (no round in the chamber)."

For some reason, our government is more afraid of the idea of the good citizens of this country being armed than just about anything else. Allowing people to actually arm and protect themselves is even more unthinkable than the idea of Arab terrorists flying airliners into office buildings. I don't understand it. What do our masters in D.C. have planned for us that requires that we first be disarmed?

[cc2k]

Previously posted here:

On Stopping Skyjackings

This isn't the posting police. I just thought people might be interested in yesterdays comments on this piece.

[Joe 6-pack]

I am in no way shape or form, critiquing the passengers on any of these planes. I was not there and can only imagine the sense of terror that must have filled them all. I certainly may not understand the entire situation, but, given a few moments to collect my thoughts, I would be willing to take the leather belt I wear every day, with a moderately heavy buckle, against a box-cutter wielding perp. Swung visciously and deliberately, it is a very effective improvised weapon which achieves stand off outside the reach of a hand-held knife.

[don-o]

We will not allow them to take over this plane. I find it interesting that the US Constitution begins with the words "We, the people"--that's who we are, THE people and we will not be defeated. With that, the passengers on the plane all began to applaud, people had tears in their eyes, and we began the trip toward the

Here's a vote that that every Captain on every flight say that to his passengers after the doors are closed.

Damn, I wish I could cook up a reason to fly tomorrow.

Anyone want to make book on whether Rush grabs this for Monday?

[Solitar]

Before I started this thread I did a search for "DC-10" and "FedEx" and "Memphis". No posts were found. Short of reading every thread on FR - a huge task for those of us with other business to attend to, we must rely on the search function which, in turn, relies on titles and keywords. If I had found the other thread, I would not have posted this one. I should have read more and searched for "skyjack" too. Oh well. Thanks for the link.

[ChadGore]

bump

[Sen Jack S. Fogbound]

BUMP! BUMP all the way! This says it all!

[george76]

bttt

some in flight reading material!

[BIGLOOK]

Interesting......and impractical. Events that passengers find frightening freeze them. The course of action against a hijacker is to whisper to those seated nearby...Marines? Vets?......you'll find some who have been in the grinder and will react once they know others are with them.

Zero G's maneuver works well as long as everyone else is strapped in. Fun to watch too.

[george76]

I remember recently a retired cop took on a perp in a commercial plane. None of the young boys would help. He found a marine captain sitting next to him to help. They both were in their 60’s or 70’s ?

The cops wife did not even look up from her book. She knew how it would end up.

She was not sure how the book would end up.

[george76]

Would a dramatic pitch ( up or down ) or dramatic change of bank angle dump everyone in not strapped in ?

You might get some unset tourists and empty out the over head storage....

It would be fun to take the terrorists off their feet ? Who then could be attacked.

[shadowcat]

I carry a gym sock and a roll of quarters in my computer carry-on!

[BIGLOOK]

I was seated at my posit once when we went through evasive maneuvers to avoid a SAM. Strapped down of course....but all of our coffee cups and everything else on the console lifted off to the overhead. We would have too had it not been for the belts.

I'm a Michael Crichton fan....his book Airframe will give you a good idea of what can happen in an aircraft during violent maneuvers. A good read too.

Fasten your seat belt and hold on to your lunch.

[azhenfud]

IMO, the hijacker who comes through your cockpit door has already had to kill everyone onboard.

Passengers will never again be “passive”. “Let’s roll!”

[HiTech RedNeck]

A commercial flight that had to dodge a SAM?

[djf]

Not at all. But in the event something happened, a good half dozen whacks upside the head with a coffee decanter will calm him down enough that he can be tied up with 15 or 20 seat belts.
This pilot has an attitude... an attitude that we need, that has been forgotten in the metrosexual revolution crap.

If some crazy turd stands up in a plane (or on the subway, or in a McDonalds, or any dam where else), it’s time we act like men, stand up, and basically say “Yo mama Dude!!” or whatever the equivalent is for muslim fanatics.

[george76]

Thanks.

I will look for it.