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Only Guns Can Stop Terrorists
The Wall Street Journal ^ | John R. Lott Jr

Posted on 09/27/2001 9:11:26 PM PDT by VinnyTex

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:45:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

By John R. Lott Jr. Mr. Lott is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and the author of "More Guns, Less Crime" (University of Chicago Press, 2000).

President Bush yesterday unveiled a plan to tighten airline security, ranging from employing the National Guard at airports to place more marshals on flights. Those are important steps, but they won't be enough, especially since no one knows where the terrorists will strike next. The only adequate response is to encourage more ordinary, responsible citizens to carry guns, as Israel has done.


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To: VinnyTex
I think it's time for me to start looking at Amtrak schedules.

In the meantime, I know what I want for Christmas. I want my CCW to be honored everywhere, anytime, out of state.

21 posted on 09/28/2001 7:32:10 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: TERMINATTOR
I think you and I had a go at this subject before, hopefully we will find ourselves in agreement here.

I carry WHEN I'm "allowed" to. The CC License I have says "a person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense. 'Public gathering' shall include, but shall not be limited to, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings, or establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises."

Now you can make the argument that the 2A says I should be able to "bear arms" and does not put any restrictions on it. Fine, but until the lower law is changed, I'm going to abide by it (at least until fighting in the streets is a common occurrence, then a license will not matter).

I would like to see a National Concealed Carry License (NCCL) that trumps any state requirements. The license I envision is free from any of the restrictions stated above, but requires annual proof that the person holding the license is a law-abiding citizen and has a modest proficiency with arms.

A NCCL would go very far to discourage crime and smaller acts of terrorism. The NCCL would virtually eliminate firearms from being used as a weapon of choice by the terrorist cowards. Right now, there is NOTHING to stop them from going to a church on Sunday morning and killing or wounding 100 or more (and probably live to do it again!).

The public at large would have a hard enough time buying off on the NCCL concept, much less an atmosphere that allows everyone to go about armed EVERYWHERE, ALL THE TIME. I just don't think the latter will ever happen.

22 posted on 09/28/2001 10:29:21 AM PDT by Gig
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To: Gig
In Oregon this is the way we do it, YOU CAN CARRY ANYWHERE, accept a Post Office, court house, or the airport. So, I do NOT go to the post office, the courthouse, or the airport. There may be other places that I am not allowed to carry, but the magic word is CONCEALED. If they don't know you have it, they are not going to ask if you have it, and if they do, just say NO!! They are not going to search you!!

The GI joes had a sign in front it said

Hunters

Please check in your guns at the front counter.

My wife looked at me like she expected me to check in my Concealed weapon, I looked at her and said, "hunters". I am not a hunter!!! LOL
23 posted on 09/28/2001 10:58:00 AM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Mulder
Talkback Live recently featured a former Air Force General who was also a commercial airline pilot. Don’t recall his name, but he supported ARMING PILOTS – and here’s why:

4 or 5 terrorists randomly seated on plane. Terrorist closest to front stands, grabs a flight attendant and, holding a large plastic blade he’d sewn into his clothing to her throat, announces he’s hijacking the aircraft. LONE sky marshal, weapon drawn, declares himself, and commands terrorist to release hostage and assume the position. During take down and marshal’s attention focused on first terrorist, terrorists behind marshal swarm and subdue him – and take his weapon! Unless the OTHER passengers come to his aid and take down the bad guys, the terrorists now have the only weapon on the aircraft and are now in command.

IT’S A NO-BRAINER, MR. BUSH: WITHOUT A GUN ON THE FLIGHT DECK, THE PLANE WILL EITHER BECOME A GUIDED MISSLE or BE SHOT DOWN BY THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE – PER YOUR ORDERS.

I AND MY LOVED ONES ARE SURE AS HELL NOT GETTING BACK ON A COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT UNTIL THE GUYS UP FRONT HAVE SOME MEANS TO KEEP US ALL ALIVE.

AND THEY ALREADY HAVE! Title 14 CFR 108.11 already authorizes airline pilots to carry firearms.

Check it out yourself by punching “14CFR 108.11” into any decent search engine.

Meanwhile, the Airline Pilots Association is petitioning Congress to pass a law allowing them to carry firearms in the cockpit. Doesn’t this association have lawyers, and don’t these lawyers ever check the law books? It’s already there! Here’s a piece:

Sec. 108.11 Carriage of weapons. (a) No certificate holder required to conduct screening under a security program may permit any person to have, ...on or about his or her person or property, a deadly or dangerous weapon, either concealed or unconcealed, accessible to him or her while aboard an airplane for which screening is required unless:
(1) The person having the weapon is-- (i) An official or employee of the United States (Why are they so !@#$% special?) or ... (ii) Authorized to have the weapon by the certificate holder and the Administrator and has successfully completed a course of training in the use of firearms acceptable to the Administrator.

A friend who is a Delta 767 Captain phoned to inform me of this. Pull up the whole statute and read it closely. I asked him about the "certificate holder."

"That’s the airline," he barked. "They have the authority to put a gun in anyone’s hands, according to the law already on the books."

He’s right. That "person" referred to is not restricted to pilots. They way I read it, the airline can authorize anyone to carry a weapon anytime, and that means you and me. It is strictly up to them. The bozos could have made the flights a lot safer a long time ago by simply utilizing this statute with prudence.

24 posted on 09/28/2001 11:03:56 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Aric2000
I like it. Makes me want to live in Oregon.
25 posted on 09/28/2001 11:27:04 AM PDT by Gig
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To: Gig
Italics off?
26 posted on 09/28/2001 11:28:19 AM PDT by Gig
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To: Gig
NO, you don't want to live here, nor in Washington, Most of the Sheeple up here are all bedwetting liberals, who have tried to get CWP taken away, they failed so now they pretend it doesn't exist. It is a bit frustrating to live in such a beautiful state and know that the person next to me is probably a died in the wool socialist piece of SH^%.
27 posted on 09/28/2001 11:42:46 AM PDT by Aric2000
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To: Dick Bachert
The problem is the FAA administrator has not approved of a course of training for 30 years!! The airlines may like this, but the it is the fact that the FAA administrator is the problem.
28 posted on 09/28/2001 12:15:15 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: ChocChipCookie
When we fly we are putting our lives in the hands of the pilot and the airline. Since they have the responsibility to keep us alive, we should provide them with the means to do so.

The guns would stay inside the cockpit if the pilot needs to leave for the restroom or anything else to prevent a passenger from grabbing it. The guns are a last line of defense. We cannot trust the pilots to save us if we deny them the necessary tools.

Molon Labe!

29 posted on 09/28/2001 12:37:23 PM PDT by Come get it
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To: Come get it
Font fix
30 posted on 09/28/2001 1:52:07 PM PDT by Mr_Magoo
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To: Come get it
Font fix again
31 posted on 09/28/2001 1:54:05 PM PDT by Mr_Magoo
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To: John Robinson
Sigh,

Durn italians won't go away!

32 posted on 09/28/2001 1:56:04 PM PDT by Mr_Magoo
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??? i?
33 posted on 09/28/2001 2:06:38 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Mr_Magoo
"Durn italians won't go away! "

The pasta conspiracy!

34 posted on 09/28/2001 2:08:20 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
BUMP
35 posted on 09/28/2001 2:10:00 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: VinnyTex
BUMP
36 posted on 09/28/2001 2:13:57 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: VinnyTex
The whole issue of what would happen if a pistol shot were to penetrate the fuselage of an airliner seems to be informed more by Hollywood screenwriter's imaginations than by the best technical understanding of the subject. That imaginative image is quite overblown, or perhaps I should say "over outblown". For a better understanding of what would actually happen, consult the recent articles on the subject of arming airline pilots by Dave Kopel at www.nationalreview.com. His articles are easily located at the site.
37 posted on 09/28/2001 5:04:36 PM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Mr_Magoo
Netscape bug. I'm looking into it.
38 posted on 09/28/2001 5:23:18 PM PDT by John Robinson
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To: Jerrybob, TERMINATTOR
No, they don't trust us. The feeling's mutual.

I think we're on the same side of the arguement.

It just frosts me every time I read of States or governments granting "rights". Wait'll they license breathing 'rights'.

40 posted on 10/01/2001 4:57:48 AM PDT by packrat01
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