Are They Going to Take Away our Pencils?/ or a Lack of Knowldge is a very Dangerous Thing.

Joseph C. Phillips, O.D. | 9-27-01 | Joe Phillips, aka Badjoe

[BADJOE]

No one will remember all of this, and no one will be able to do it all, but a half a dozen people with the courage to try will save many , many lives.

Have at me.

[Jack Wilson]

I was wondering if the coffee pots are still made of glass. Seems a shard could be pretty nasty.

[Free the USA]

Good info, Hope it never comes in handy.

[AppyPappy]

I tried this with my kids. It doesn't even slow them down.

[mxbluto]

Good for you. Now try these things on someone who has a letter opener to some poor girls throat. Only the passengers of the last plane knew what was going on, and they did act.

[eastforker]

Like you said there are many ways.But you have to have the will and determination to make it work.Your head is also a weapon.On an airline with narrow aisle a running charge with head lowered into the gut will make almost anyone fall,just need the backup behind you to take care of the rest.Sorta like football realy.

[LowOiL]

LOL AppyPappy...

[BADJOE]

: ) With kids, best technique is car key removal. : )

[BADJOE]

One or two deaths does not equal 6,000++++

[tracer]

Sorta like Christopher Reeve really.........

[fourdeuce82d]

uhh...yeah, as long as the guy stands there, all of the above will work great.

I've taken a couple of martial arts, never for more than a few months, but they all seemed to assume your opponent is just going to let you whale away- remember, boxers throw hundreds of thousands of punches during practice, but have a pretty low hit rate when they face a practiced opponent. If you practice your sophisticated moves for a long, long time, they may work great, but i think simple moves are best-

First guy-wrap the bad guy up in your arms and fall down. Second guy- come over the top, and gouge the bad guy's eyes out with your thumbs- go in at the tear ducts, all the way, and rip outward. If you can't get the eyes to acutally pop out, try to rip the tissue of the eye socket away from the eye orbit with your thumb nails. in either case, it will hurt, and limit his vision. Either passenger- get up, and stomp on bad guy's temple until it gets all squishy. kneel, pull his head back to expose his throat, and smash the hyoid bone (adam's apple) with a clenched fist, just in case. Repeat until threat is eliminated.

This isn't fighting, it isn't vigilantyism, nor is it vengeance; it is dynamic threat management.

it's not real complicated folks.

[BADJOE]

The element of surprize, the unexpected, is what makes it all work.

[eastforker]

Well tracer I gotta tell ya,been there done that,you can't do nothin till ya get them on the ground first.I have seen many big guys toppled by small men with determination but it wasn't done toe to toe.

[BADJOE]

I have loaded my air pistol with flour and have had ten different people put the muzzle right on my chest at my heart. None were able to pull the tigger and "shoot me " before I could direct the muzzle away from my body and hit them (actually hit a box positioned beside their head). I ran some rather complicted reaction time studies when I was still practicing at being a dctor. : ) The intended victem has the advantage.

[fourdeuce82d]

"...put the muzzle right on my chest at my heart."

good reason never to hold anyone at gun point, or to shoot anyone who, upon being told to halt, gets within 10 feet of you, 21 feet if you see a blade. Shoot early, shoot often.

One thing, however, if we assume we're doing this in an airplane, we're going to be channelized by the seats-"surprise" is going to be difficult to come by. i suspect it's going to take a "hi-diddle-diddle, right up the middle" approach. To whoever talked about getting 'em on the ground, yeah, makes sense- one guy plan on taking him down and absorbing the (almost certainly crippling and easily lethal) cuts, while the second guy disables the bad guy per above.

[BADJOE]

My point is everyone has the ability to take them out, rgardless of their age or strength. One person tryinhg will bring others into the frey. Just have the guts to fight back.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Joe, in person you seem like such a nice man! LOL!

[BADJOE]

You have to have the guts to say "While you are killing her, I will be killing you." Do Not be intimidated.

[BADJOE]

I am a very easy going nice guy.

But if you threaten my country or those I love, you will be hurt very badly.

[tracer]

Agreed, but I would hope that you would not fracture your cervical vertebrae with a running head butt deflected onto a seat back or bulkhead.

Or find yourself sailing ass over tea kettle as a result of a fairly basic tactic against just such a head butt. Or catch an uppercut from a knife or knee, which, as you no doubt would agree, is the target of choice for putting a big or small guy irreversibly down.

And grappling is best done when you aren't stunned, blinded, or paralyzed. Much easier and safer to shear the patella downward as you hope upward and leading with your knees.

A splayed cabin blanket is also a nice touch that increases your margin of safety and range of options. Been there and done that is great and worthy of respect and gratitude, but it's far better to be able to be there and do that again on a scary day in the future. No offense intended.......